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Can’t underestimate preparation Nick, and that is where even XPS can come unravelled. Never fear oh learned one, I have been doing my homework.Nick Carroll wrote:It delaminates off other foams easier.
Didn’t you have fangled Webber fongle? Thought you didn’t like it?mustkillmulloway wrote:http://www.realsurf.com/news/newsitem.php?id=1589
webbers idea shits all over firewires
(just stirrin)
R. Compressive strength is important but what you also want is high elongation or ductability. This means the foam will bend a lot before it deforms or breaks – this usually equates to good flex response, memory and resistance to snapping, compared to the other foams Core-cell was better in this regard and became more favourably regarded by sailboard and boat builders. The old formular Divinycell and Klegecell were considered to be too brittle compared to Core-cell. They changed the Divinycell formular and it’s pretty tough shit now. They might have changed the Klegecell formular too and it might be as good as Core-cell now. Klegecell is marketed as the more cost effective option compared to Divinycellric_vidal wrote:What makes you say that P? Because of the more open cell structure?pinhead wrote:Klegecell isn't as good as Core-cell or Divinycell.
I’ve got both and the Kleg feels a lot less compressible than the cell foam.
it had it's charms and it's cursesric_vidal wrote:[
Didn’t you have fangled Webber fongle? Thought you didn’t like it?
I like the look of them, but hey that’s me.
:?
cause i wouldn't hesitate buy one them....i'm fussy on glass jobs....they do some the best
) isn't it great too see all these new ideas floating around trying improve our fun in the water some bewildering comments regarding what customers want and what shapers are able to do.... from customers and other shapers that I know, you are way off. I keep all records ( electronic and the old paper and pen )of every board I ever make and I know that others do the same. You say most surfers dont care? Well they care alot, they want good boards that suit them , thats why custom boards will not be extinct by the end of the decade or ten years or whenever . There are too many different shape,styles,wave types, likes ,dislikes etc. etc. for a handful of designs to suit everybody, there has to be boards designed for peoples specific requirements. Some people also thoroughly enjoy being involved in the process of the custom board, the personalised touch to something that hopefully will give you lots of pleasure, and the anticipation of surfing someting that was only designed with you in mind, . Starting to ramble on but sorry mate, custom boards and shaping wont be going away anytime soon and I think you are out of touch with what your average surfer truly thinks about his boards . There is massive changes currently takin place in the industry but some will flop and some may succeed but only time will tell, cheerscollnarra wrote:I think there's a lot of life left in current technology. As I've posted elsewhere, CNC machining and CAD design should have lead to a renaissance in custom board building - but it hasn't.
After having spoken to lots of shapers (everyone from Eric Arakawa to Chilli to Simon Anderson to Warner and Dave Wood) over the last few years, and after having asked them what it is that most customers want, they inevitably respond: fast / manouverable / forgiving / sensitive / strong / light.
Those qualities essentially make up the extremes of a three axis plot of board features.
I'd argue that most customers don't really want a custom board - and most shapers aren't able to deliver a true custom anyway. It's easier for them to offer a range of designs, and then the customer can choose something that more or less fits with the bounds of a design, appeals to them, and has a brand name (which explains the mystifying appearance of boards from Channel Islands on local beaches).
Shapers could keep electronic records of the last board you had from them, and then use that as a basis for your next order. But most don't keep these records except for team members. And if they did keep customer records, what purpose would it serve? Most surfers simply don't care.
There simply aren't that many artisan shapers left. Mark Rabbidge is one, the guy that makes PURE could be another (although I haven't yet gone to visit him). The rest are designers that spec out a range of designs and offer them. There's nothing wrong with that, and most surfers are getting better boards now than they were ten years ago. But whether those boards suit them is another thing altogether....
way too many experts .rmshapes wrote:I'm with you Pridmore. The comment that there are hardly any artisans left is ludicrous. I can proudly say that I can shape anything with confidence and out of any type of foam, glass, or resin. Machine or not.
Sure I use a shaping machine for most of my production, but I can get a blank out of the rafters and shape it. Not like the new school, machine-fed, corner rounders who are out there.
Colnarra wake up and smell the roses. You seem too wrapped up in all the "latest technology" and flavour-of-the-month shapers that you overlook the experienced shaping fraternity who have poured their hearts and souls into a really tough industry for decades.
The problem is everyone on these forums think they are experts and prefer to believe journos for their board advice over shapers. This pisses me off!
Here's an offer to all you realsurfers - come around to my factory and showroom, check out the sticks and see what we do. It will do you some good to get out of the square you're stuck in. Find out what's really going on and talk to someone who can really help with your surfing rather than "talking the talk".
So true!rmshapes wrote:I'm with you Pridmore. The comment that there are hardly any artisans left is ludicrous. I can proudly say that I can shape anything with confidence and out of any type of foam, glass, or resin. Machine or not.
Sure I use a shaping machine for most of my production, but I can get a blank out of the rafters and shape it. Not like the new school, machine-fed, corner rounders who are out there.
Colnarra wake up and smell the roses. You seem too wrapped up in all the "latest technology" and flavour-of-the-month shapers that you overlook the experienced shaping fraternity who have poured their hearts and souls into a really tough industry for decades.
The problem is everyone on these forums think they are experts and prefer to believe journos for their board advice over shapers. This pisses me off!
Here's an offer to all you realsurfers - come around to my factory and showroom, check out the sticks and see what we do. It will do you some good to get out of the square you're stuck in. Find out what's really going on and talk to someone who can really help with your surfing rather than "talking the talk".
Most of the guys bringing this tech to market, guys like Bob Mac Tavish, Dick Van Straalen, Nev, Bert Burger, Greg Loehr, Stretch, etc are the experienced shaping fraternity - Some of them been trying for years to convince crew you can make lighter, stronger, and yes better performing boards if you just look beyond PU. It isn't a fad, this is stuff that has been around for donkeys and it's now getting a bit of attention due to the net, where minority voices can be heard. I rode PU for 20 years, stock and custom boards, I heard about this stuff on the net I tried it and I ride now. Why? because I like it better. If I'd just been listening to my local shaper I'd still be riding PU.rmshapes wrote: Colnarra wake up and smell the roses. You seem too wrapped up in all the "latest technology" and flavour-of-the-month shapers that you overlook the experienced shaping fraternity who have poured their hearts and souls into a really tough industry for decades.
The problem is everyone on these forums think they are experts and prefer to believe journos for their board advice over shapers. This pisses me off!
Here's an offer to all you realsurfers - come around to my factory and showroom, check out the sticks and see what we do. It will do you some good to get out of the square you're stuck in. Find out what's really going on and talk to someone who can really help with your surfing rather than "talking the talk".
)There's not much in it performance wise if you compare one of these to a team glassed pro board made from super light foam. But the thing is these things don't fall apart after three months. Pro's don't care if their boards only last a couple of sessions - they get them for free. Before Taj used Firewires he was actually blowing heats because his boards were creasing.mustkillmulloway wrote:
surly the pro's be after them if there so much better performance wise :?
Whilst I can appreciate your "shoot from the hip" type attitude as I can see its passion, I'd be careful on how you direct it, as how do you know that for some of the guys on here, may have had more experience than you ? I'll admit that there are a lot of guys that probably don't know much, but there are still some heads on here that have seen a lot as well.......rmshapes wrote:I'm with you Pridmore. The comment that there are hardly any artisans left is ludicrous. I can proudly say that I can shape anything with confidence and out of any type of foam, glass, or resin. Machine or not.
Sure I use a shaping machine for most of my production, but I can get a blank out of the rafters and shape it. Not like the new school, machine-fed, corner rounders who are out there.
Colnarra wake up and smell the roses. You seem too wrapped up in all the "latest technology" and flavour-of-the-month shapers that you overlook the experienced shaping fraternity who have poured their hearts and souls into a really tough industry for decades.
The problem is everyone on these forums think they are experts and prefer to believe journos for their board advice over shapers. This pisses me off!
Here's an offer to all you realsurfers - come around to my factory and showroom, check out the sticks and see what we do. It will do you some good to get out of the square you're stuck in. Find out what's really going on and talk to someone who can really help with your surfing rather than "talking the talk".
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