Just general surfing stuff
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Though surfing is play so will always happily retain something of the child.
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But somehow conflating that with racism, sexism etc etc is just bullshitt logic.
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Nothing, absolutely nothing beats curling up with Derrida on a rainy Saturday.steve shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:50 pmA, I reject the notion surfing is uniquely predisposed to producing selfish narcissists and it may even have a counter vailing effect over a lifetime and b: I reject the notion that surfing is purely self indulgent. It has a very strong utilitarian element which has both easily observed subjective parameters and easily quantifiable objective parameters.
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I didn't agree with that. Those isms do not seem innately adolescent.steve shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:11 pmBut somehow conflating that with racism, sexism etc etc is just bullshitt logic.
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I know you didn't Foamy, it was Fiona Capp who made those causal connections.
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And this premise of toxic masculinity that Tim Winton seems in thrall to.
It ruins his fiction, makes it overwrought and inauthentic. Especially in the case of Breath. Last third of that book was a mess.
It ruins his fiction, makes it overwrought and inauthentic. Especially in the case of Breath. Last third of that book was a mess.
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Just can't get my head around Derrida Skip. Had a few cracks at it. Foucault makes more sense to me.
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The last third of nearly all his books are a mess.steve shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:24 pmAnd this premise of toxic masculinity that Tim Winton seems in thrall to.
It ruins his fiction, makes it overwrought and inauthentic. Especially in the case of Breath. Last third of that book was a mess.
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Agree.
I went and saw the premiere the other night and had pre-judged it a stinker because of that, but instead I came away all lightheaded and enthused. Wasn't a great fan of the book, Winton can often lead you into unlikely scenarios yet somehow convince you of their possibility, it's a strength of his storytelling, however the asphyxiation sex bit was like a malignant tumour on an otherwise fine specimen and I couldn't suspend disbelief. Fortunately Baker tones it down, so while there's still a plastic bag under the bed, it's more representative of adult sex in general, dangerous to an emotionally vulnerable teenager, and the analogous aspect of risk taking that the book turns on.
I knew no-one like Pikelet when I was a grom, a surf-crazed teen that had the fortitude to say no to a revered mentor, and I doubt many exist. So Pikelet saying no to Sando is one of those unlikely scenarios Winton manages to present with conviction. And it worked, at least on film. It may come off as moralising viewed in context with his recent toxic masculinity campaign but it didn't feel like that in the darkness of the cinema. Others may judge that differently.
Of course, it ain't just the ideas that we'll judge, there's also the visual presentation. Do we again look like dills up on the big screen? To this at least, I reckon every surfer will agree that Baker nails it. The surfing quirks aren't explained, he doesn't try to make the surf look 50 foot, there's no climactic big wave scene, no pseudo mysticism. Every actor surfed and so did the writer, director, and the whole water unit too.
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Probably good that it was changed for the film
Nick, still not a fan of dolphins?
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Baker is no kook. Lennox boy.
And knowing what I know about that teenage risk taking did him no harm at all.
I think Winton has really tied himself in a knot and got the premise arse about.
And knowing what I know about that teenage risk taking did him no harm at all.
I think Winton has really tied himself in a knot and got the premise arse about.
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I take it all backctd wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:38 pmNick, still not a fan of dolphins?
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Maybe...one part of me was thinking 'What's wrong with stretching yourself?' It can even be an ongoing lifelong situation, yet Pikelet reached his limits in teeangehood.
But then there's also something to be said about going against the prevailing pressures, and I guess Winton says it.
But then there's also something to be said about going against the prevailing pressures, and I guess Winton says it.
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That dolphin slam rocks.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again
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Truthfully, I couldn’t finish Breath.
Turned to warm sago it did.
Turned to warm sago it did.
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For me, Winton's writing tecnique is excellent, his observation of life in oz a delight, but his character development and the plots of his stories always fail for me.
Consequently his work is a waste for such an otherwise hugely talented writer.
Consequently his work is a waste for such an otherwise hugely talented writer.
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completely agree with comments re Winton's frustrating inability to make pausible transitions.
I read that troublesome 3rd part of Breath as a last gasp ... attempt to contemporarise (?) the 70's tael into a naughties prediliction for dark, death pursuits.
When high, and even higher states have been reached - through adulation, exceptional experience and achievement or drugs - the ultimate high is a perverse sexual grande mort.
It was clunky for sure.
i do look forward to seeing the film though.
Foucault, he's a pro.
been dipping into Zizek a bit.
I read that troublesome 3rd part of Breath as a last gasp ... attempt to contemporarise (?) the 70's tael into a naughties prediliction for dark, death pursuits.
When high, and even higher states have been reached - through adulation, exceptional experience and achievement or drugs - the ultimate high is a perverse sexual grande mort.
It was clunky for sure.
i do look forward to seeing the film though.
nor can i Steve, but you know, it's good to stretch one's self.steve shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:53 pmJust can't get my head around Derrida Skip. Had a few cracks at it. Foucault makes more sense to me.
Foucault, he's a pro.
been dipping into Zizek a bit.
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