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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by Natho » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:59 am

My life was recently turned upside down by something relating to the black dog. I lost two of the closest people to me as a result. Depression is very real. Anyone struggling to deal with it themselves is welcome to PM me and I can at least offer you my own experiences. I certainly can't cure you but sometimes it's good just to share how it has effected others and their experiences.

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Post by andy2476 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:13 pm

icepick wrote:
andy2476 wrote:thats great advice packa. Of course if they were a muslim who was depressed because they couldn't practice sharia law you'd just tell em to try again off back to where they came from.
Oh dear, only you could. Why? There is no need. Please get help. Please.
because quoting a positive outlook on life is great but there is nothing positive about packas nasty and small minded views about people who he believes want to live life slightly differently than he. That sort of thinking is precisely what could promote depression and anxiety in people.
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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by No Pants Lance » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:20 pm

I find posiiive uplifting music helps relieve depression.


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Post by tonks » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:26 pm

skipper wrote:I find posiiive uplifting music helps relieve depression.
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Haha. Nice one Skip!

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by icepick » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:48 am

Natho wrote:My life was recently turned upside down by something relating to the black dog. I lost two of the closest people to me as a result. Depression is very real. Anyone struggling to deal with it themselves is welcome to PM me and I can at least offer you my own experiences. I certainly can't cure you but sometimes it's good just to share how it has effected others and their experiences.
Onya Natho.

FWIW, I'm open to PM's too ... happy to share experiences, and try to help anyone. Especially, if say you are not sure how to approach someone you want to check in on, or to get a better understanding of how it affects someone if you don't suffer.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by icepick » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:51 am

andy2476 wrote:
icepick wrote:
andy2476 wrote:thats great advice packa. Of course if they were a muslim who was depressed because they couldn't practice sharia law you'd just tell em to try again off back to where they came from.
Oh dear, only you could. Why? There is no need. Please get help. Please.
because quoting a positive outlook on life is great but there is nothing positive about packas nasty and small minded views about people who he believes want to live life slightly differently than he. That sort of thinking is precisely what could promote depression and anxiety in people.
So, keep it in the relevant thread. Pretty simple.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by icepick » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:27 am

So, the next step in my recovery process has started to kick in ...

The doc, at the last appt, said my system needs some 'help' to get the biochemical process working in sync better ... he has suggested I take SAM-e, and I started last week, and am definitely feeling it's impact. Been a bit 'weird' at first, some tingling sensations, and weird headaches, which have now all gone once I increased the dose as planned ...

Doc said to start on slow and build up ...

He also, showed me this 'biochemical cycle' and where / how it all works for me. While this is bloody detailed, the thing I took away is how all the biochemical functions link together like an old analogue clock, so that when one part moves slow, or too quick, or does not move or produce what it should the whole system is thrown our of whack ... makes sense really. No wonder we feel so 'out of balance' when things like Depression and Anxiety hit ...

Anyway, just sharing as it my help someone.
biochemical process.jpg

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by offshore1 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:37 pm

you've gotta be kidding

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by tonks » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:18 pm

Appreciate the good intentions icepick, but you'd need a masters in biochemistry to make sense of that, let alone appreciate the significance with respect to mental health status

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by Natho » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:52 pm

Exercise and clean living works wonders for many people with depression. It won't cure it but can certainly help living with it for sure. Far better to get addicted to exercise and adrenalin than Booz n drugs.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by tonks » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:53 pm

Right on Natho!

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by packa » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:27 am

offshore1 wrote:you've gotta be kidding
tonks wrote:Appreciate the good intentions icepick, but you'd need a masters in biochemistry to make sense of that, let alone appreciate the significance with respect to mental health status
Yes, but, did you note:
icepick wrote: ... He also, showed me this 'biochemical cycle' and where / how it all works for me. While this is bloody detailed, the thing I took away is how all the biochemical functions link together like an old analogue clock, so that when one part moves slow, or too quick, or does not move or produce what it should the whole system is thrown our of whack ... makes sense really. No wonder we feel so 'out of balance' when things like Depression and Anxiety hit ...
Emphasis added, just in case you missed it :wink:

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by tonks » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:54 pm

This might be of interest to people:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014 ... w-it-works

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by offshore1 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:10 pm

Apologies icepick if I was too andy1234,I'm writing on my phone.
The diagram just reminded me of Catholic interpretations of the solar system when woolly was a lad.
There's been some good advice given. Best wishes for you.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by packa » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:47 am

tonks wrote:This might be of interest to people:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014 ... w-it-works
Onya Tonks.

Personally, exercise, well surfing almost every day, was a huge part of my management plan. I set my work schedule so first meetings were generally never before 10.30am so I had time to get a surf in every morning (allowing for tides, and conditions to settle) and that seemed to work well for me. Never been a runner, or more than a mere casual family weekend bike rider, and as for the gym, well nah, so it's surfing for me.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by Davros » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:55 am

Just on Nathos points, if I run say 7kms or over I'm on a high for 24 hours, but a 2-3 hour surf makes me a little tired at night and irritable be it good or bad surf, maybe producing testostrone in surf and more endophins in the run. Everyway I agree, exercise isnt the answer but that with removing yourself from situations that make you anxious is better than 6 tins and a reefer a night.

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by icepick » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:49 pm

Quik update for those interested ...

Now up to 1500mg of zinc per day, under doc guidance, plus increased Vitamin B ... finally got the energy kick, and sleeping "heacy" without waking up feeling like I still need another few hours. This supplement sh1t is real, and fu.cking amazing ... :mrgreen:

Treating cause, not just the symptoms ...

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Re: Beyond the blue ...

Post by packa » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:25 am

Since this is a publicly viewable thread on this forum I feel it important to add this WARNING:

Be VERY careful what you share on this forum. The "community" here does not care if they take anything of a sensitive nature and use it in half arsed twisted attempts at humor. In fact, the WHOLE community and regular contributors are complicit in the very process; simply by allowing it to happen.

It's if very very sad when someone has tried to share knowledge in the hope of helping others that they are treated this way.

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