Re: The Good Luck A Number One McCoy Thread
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:36 pm
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Thanks Cranky. That's really interesting feedback. You could see/feel something in the board but it required such a fundamental design enhancement to make it work for you. Isn't that what it's all about though?Cranked wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:35 pmDavros, there's a bit of backround needed.
Every board of Geoffs that I've looked at (hand shapes and surftech) has a lot of rocker in the tail, like 1.75" in the last 30".
This made them a bit slow and mushy (as per 'boos description) in less powerful surf.
But as everyone knows, the force exerted when planing on water goes up as the cube of the speed. So once you get them in good waves they start to really excell, and they stay loose as the speed increases because they sit up higher on the dome.
Then along came TSA. The first lot of Nuggets were the same as the surftechs and hand shapes. But after a few years they were all redesigned and the rocker in the tail was dramatically reduced, from 1.75" to about 0.8".
This dramatically changed their performance. It's only in the TSA boards, but as hand shapes are about $1200 and shipping (to Perth for example) is $400 most people will only ever own a TSA board.
So now the performance characteristics described by 'boo are gone. They are fast, catch waves really easily, but don't turn so well.
The zots have a narrower tail, and a little more tail rocker, so I bought them in preference to the nuggets. I've been finding my way with them though as they are quite different (again TSA, not hand shapes)
As a single fin I found they were easily the worst board I've ever ridden. The combination of the wide flat tail and the Gulwing is extremely difficult to do anything with in most situations.
Changing them to a quad was amazing and a dramatic improvement. The combination of the drag and turning ability is perfect.
So far they have been great in everything up to double overhead, power and control in macking super fast waves. I hope to push them further, but double overhead has been my max comfort level for a while, so it means a big effort from me to push beyond that. I think it will be me, not the board, that will be the biggest obstacle though.
Cranked wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:35 pmDavros, there's a bit of backround needed.
Every board of Geoffs that I've looked at (hand shapes and surftech) has a lot of rocker in the tail, like 1.75" in the last 30".
This made them a bit slow and mushy (as per 'boos description) in less powerful surf.
But as everyone knows, the force exerted when planing on water goes up as the cube of the speed. So once you get them in good waves they start to really excell, and they stay loose as the speed increases because they sit up higher on the dome.
Then along came TSA. The first lot of Nuggets were the same as the surftechs and hand shapes. But after a few years they were all redesigned and the rocker in the tail was dramatically reduced, from 1.75" to about 0.8".
This dramatically changed their performance. It's only in the TSA boards, but as hand shapes are about $1200 and shipping (to Perth for example) is $400 most people will only ever own a TSA board.
So now the performance characteristics described by 'boo are gone. They are fast, catch waves really easily, but don't turn so well.
The zots have a narrower tail, and a little more tail rocker, so I bought them in preference to the nuggets. I've been finding my way with them though as they are quite different (again TSA, not hand shapes)
As a single fin I found they were easily the worst board I've ever ridden. The combination of the wide flat tail and the Gulwing is extremely difficult to do anything with in most situations.
Changing them to a quad was amazing and a dramatic improvement. The combination of the drag and turning ability is perfect.
So far they have been great in everything up to double overhead, power and control in macking super fast waves. I hope to push them further, but double overhead has been my max comfort level for a while, so it means a big effort from me to push beyond that. I think it will be me, not the board, that will be the biggest obstacle though.
Yes, they go well....BUT a quad set up is looser and faster...Beerfan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:11 pmCranked wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:35 pmDavros, there's a bit of backround needed.
Every board of Geoffs that I've looked at (hand shapes and surftech) has a lot of rocker in the tail, like 1.75" in the last 30".
This made them a bit slow and mushy (as per 'boos description) in less powerful surf.
But as everyone knows, the force exerted when planing on water goes up as the cube of the speed. So once you get them in good waves they start to really excell, and they stay loose as the speed increases because they sit up higher on the dome.
Then along came TSA. The first lot of Nuggets were the same as the surftechs and hand shapes. But after a few years they were all redesigned and the rocker in the tail was dramatically reduced, from 1.75" to about 0.8".
This dramatically changed their performance. It's only in the TSA boards, but as hand shapes are about $1200 and shipping (to Perth for example) is $400 most people will only ever own a TSA board.
So now the performance characteristics described by 'boo are gone. They are fast, catch waves really easily, but don't turn so well.
The zots have a narrower tail, and a little more tail rocker, so I bought them in preference to the nuggets. I've been finding my way with them though as they are quite different (again TSA, not hand shapes)
As a single fin I found they were easily the worst board I've ever ridden. The combination of the wide flat tail and the Gulwing is extremely difficult to do anything with in most situations.
Changing them to a quad was amazing and a dramatic improvement. The combination of the drag and turning ability is perfect.
So far they have been great in everything up to double overhead, power and control in macking super fast waves. I hope to push them further, but double overhead has been my max comfort level for a while, so it means a big effort from me to push beyond that. I think it will be me, not the board, that will be the biggest obstacle though.
How bout the thruster nuggets?