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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:50 pm
by steve shearer
True, but he wasn't CEO of UFC either.

We'll see.

This is a bold strategy and it could go any which way.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:07 pm
by Nick Carroll
It's super bold! I still don't really know why anyone other than surfers would ever wanna watch it though.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:57 am
by Wyre
I just got a second hand board that requires futures fins. Can someone link me up to a thread or gimme some recommendations?

Haven't bought fins for years, futures never.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am
by Cranked
Nick Carroll wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:07 pm
It's super bold! I still don't really know why anyone other than surfers would ever wanna watch it though.
Yeah super bold as you say. I believe it would give the owners the best chance of maximum return on their investment but I also believe its a complete abandonment of what surfing means to a lot of people.

A lot of things in life are not about the fcuking money: taking surfing, of all sports, down that track is a very sad moment for surfing. The very best result would be for the surfers to take a stand, and say no, this is not what surfing is. That would make them legends.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:21 am
by crabmeat thompson
Wyre wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:57 am
I just got a second hand board that requires futures fins. Can someone link me up to a thread or gimme some recommendations?

Haven't bought fins for years, futures never.
welcome to the very best fin system in the world!

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:09 am
by saltman
crabmeat thompson wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:21 am
Wyre wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:57 am
I just got a second hand board that requires futures fins. Can someone link me up to a thread or gimme some recommendations?

Haven't bought fins for years, futures never.
welcome to the very best fin system in the world!
Vectors +++ for quad

If you can find them Solus +++++ for thruster

I have been using the same fins for 6 years - never felt the need to change
when I did try others - I went straight back

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:24 am
by foamy
Wyre wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:57 am
I just got a second hand board that requires futures fins. Can someone link me up to a thread or gimme some recommendations?

Haven't bought fins for years, futures never.
Can you describe the board?

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:39 am
by Nick Carroll
Cranked wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am
Nick Carroll wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:07 pm
It's super bold! I still don't really know why anyone other than surfers would ever wanna watch it though.
Yeah super bold as you say. I believe it would give the owners the best chance of maximum return on their investment but I also believe its a complete abandonment of what surfing means to a lot of people.

A lot of things in life are not about the fcuking money: taking surfing, of all sports, down that track is a very sad moment for surfing. The very best result would be for the surfers to take a stand, and say no, this is not what surfing is. That would make them legends.
ha ha well the current owner of the world tour has pissed a bit over $100m up against the wall in four and a bit years trying to keep the whole thing going in the manner to which it has become accustomed, that is very much about the fcuken money.

the thing they risk is exposing the already tenuous link between pro surfing and actual surfing culture, stretching it even further till it maybe snaps. That would fracture the unity among the pros which has been shaken a bit by the thought that some of them are a bit disposable all of a sudden. The whole thing could come apart pretty quick.

But I dunno, I kind of don't trust my instincts on this, I know my own picture of surfing evolved at a very different time and the way I see surfing may not be too confluent with some sci fi future version. Maybe they can co-exist!

Still don't know why anyone but surfers would bother watching CTs though.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:07 am
by steve shearer
Cranked wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am

A lot of things in life are not about the fcuking money: taking surfing, of all sports, down that track is a very sad moment for surfing. The very best result would be for the surfers to take a stand, and say no, this is not what surfing is. That would make them legends.
They are fcuking pro surfers: ie they are getting paid to surf.

You think they are going to take a stand against capitalism to go dig holes, or program computers?

Even Rasta the great(est) Pro Soul Surfer of all time was always super careful to never say a bad word about surfing commercialism.

People don't shitt on their paydays Cranked.....or if they do we make martyrs out of them like Ed Snowden.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:08 am
by steve shearer
Nick Carroll wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:39 am

Still don't know why anyone but surfers would bother watching CTs though.

If they just manage to lock that down and solidify it that would be a massive leap forwards imo.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:02 pm
by foamy
The WSL embrace of KellySlaterWaveCo is partly an acknowledgment of that truth. They can't sell the current product, therefore they have to change the product.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:53 pm
by Over55yrs
Geez that Teneo crew look like a co-agents for the CIA (and the advisory board hasTony Blair and Bill Clinton)...........what are they doing with surfing I cannot understand ?

How does WSL pay their daily rates ?

http://www.teneoholdings.com/

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:25 pm
by Nick Carroll
They're advising the owner, who is a billionaire.

About the same time that Dirk Z began to get involved in pro surfing, he and his brothers did quite a bit of divesting and changing their games. Dirk stepped away from Ziff Brothers Investments and started his own operation, Ziff Capital Partners (still holds some money in ZBI). It's the sort of thing Teneo advises rich people on -- how to change it up etc. So they've probably been an item almost since Teneo was founded.

WSL represents a significant investment on Ziff's part and it only makes sense that he would call on his corporate advisers to try to figure out how to turn it around.

So it is not rocket science, it is possibly however the weirdest period in professional surfing history.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:06 pm
by Cranked
steve shearer wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:07 am
Cranked wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am

A lot of things in life are not about the fcuking money: taking surfing, of all sports, down that track is a very sad moment for surfing. The very best result would be for the surfers to take a stand, and say no, this is not what surfing is. That would make them legends.
They are fcuking pro surfers: ie they are getting paid to surf.

You think they are going to take a stand against capitalism to go dig holes, or program computers?

Even Rasta the great(est) Pro Soul Surfer of all time was always super careful to never say a bad word about surfing commercialism.

People don't shitt on their paydays Cranked.....or if they do we make martyrs out of them like Ed Snowden.
True Steve, and that's what will probably happen, but my point still stands. I'm with Tracks when they refused to report on, nor acknowledge competitive surfing. That was in those early years when people thought they could change the world.

Capitalism is ugly and soulless, and fcuking rampant.

And yeah, I chose the money path, but I felt a lot better when I was working for places like the Dept of Indigenous Affairs (10 years), TAFE (5 years), Dept Agriculture (3 years), than doing shit for Banks and Insurance companies.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:22 pm
by Cranked
Nick Carroll wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:39 am
Cranked wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am
Nick Carroll wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:07 pm
It's super bold! I still don't really know why anyone other than surfers would ever wanna watch it though.
Yeah super bold as you say. I believe it would give the owners the best chance of maximum return on their investment but I also believe its a complete abandonment of what surfing means to a lot of people.

A lot of things in life are not about the fcuking money: taking surfing, of all sports, down that track is a very sad moment for surfing. The very best result would be for the surfers to take a stand, and say no, this is not what surfing is. That would make them legends.
ha ha well the current owner of the world tour has pissed a bit over $100m up against the wall in four and a bit years trying to keep the whole thing going in the manner to which it has become accustomed, that is very much about the fcuken money.

the thing they risk is exposing the already tenuous link between pro surfing and actual surfing culture, stretching it even further till it maybe snaps. That would fracture the unity among the pros which has been shaken a bit by the thought that some of them are a bit disposable all of a sudden. The whole thing could come apart pretty quick.

But I dunno, I kind of don't trust my instincts on this, I know my own picture of surfing evolved at a very different time and the way I see surfing may not be too confluent with some sci fi future version. Maybe they can co-exist!

Still don't know why anyone but surfers would bother watching CTs though.
The bit in bold. Nick, you have a way of succinctly and clearly reaching to the heart of the matter. A suitable analogy, in many ways, might be in the martial arts: that is, the relationship between the traditional martial arts (Karate Judo, Jujitsu) and the UFC.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:50 pm
by godsavethequeen
Nick Carroll wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:07 pm
It's super bold! I still don't really know why anyone other than surfers would ever wanna watch it though.
Two runs each, first runs start at 7pm on the dot, the whole thing is done by 9. It's extreme liposuction for the CT with the holy grail of predictable timings for live TV. People will watch any old shit if it's plonked in front of them in a coherent and easy to digest package. They'll probably ditch the ocean events after a year or two once the pools are fully up to speed

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:10 pm
by steve shearer
yeah but nah.

more like half-pipe snowboarding.

a kind of dinky add-on for the Olympics version of snowboarding.

Re: Just general surfing stuff

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:07 pm
by godsavethequeen
They've got to look beyond the niche, surfer audience. They know what that delivers in terms of audience numbers and it's clearly not enough. Tinkering with the number of surfers and trying to put them on good waves at the best spots will probably work in so far as maxing out that niche, surfer audience but it ain't gonna do much to sell it to the wider public while we still have long lulls, incomprehensible scoring, impenetrable commentary etc etc.

We'll meet here again on 19 September 2027, oh-nine-hundred-hours my time, and see who was right