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Ok mate.

You had your trolling fun.

Shame, I thought you might have had something interesting to contribute.

No worries.

The USA and Australia are the most shark infested countries in the world. Since the year 1580, a total of 682 shark attacks have killed more than 155 people in Australia. In the United States, 1,563 attacks have already caused over 35 deaths.8 Jan 2023

swvic wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:54 pm

Wondering how the swellnet discussions are progressing


Not really

Pretty good, actually.

Much better than Godsave's efforts, thats for sure.

India ranks second only to Indonesia in terms of the number of sharks caught each year. Approximately 100 million sharks are killed each year in fishing operations, primarily to support the demand for shark fin soup.28 Aug 2013

Yeah, apologies. Comment was a bit trite

Just putting sharks into context

Although Florida has the largest quantity of attacks in the world, Australian shark attacks, by comparison, are much more severe. Nowhere else comes close. New South Wales has recorded a whopping 93 fatalities since the year 1900, though the rate of attacks there has decreased since the turn of the decade. The real threat now lurks in the waters of West Oz, as juvenile sharks now reach popular surf spots like Margaret River and Esperance.

OK, I'll stop now.

I’m sorry steve but aren’t you the bloke that wangs on constantly about the absolute purity of pristine wilderness? Surely shark nets are the oceanic equivalent of the Enclosure Act?

I’m enjoying GSTs contributions.
Re: Crankys stats….part of the figures reflect how many people swim in those countries vs hunt sharks.

Godsave obviously han't spent much time in Gondwana.

He's scared of the land, imagine how scared he'd be in the water.

steve shearer wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:28 pm

The inshore marine Environment is as much a human ecological habitat as it is a shark. Even moreso estuaries and rivers.

what's your point here steve? i'm struggling to follow (and nah, i didn't read the article, i feel like i've heard it before).


if sharks and their presence have upset you so much, you do have some choices here, mate.

• move to a place like sydney or surfers paradise where there are nets for you to enjoy your inshore ocean activities. and in doing so, become everything you hate.
  
  give up your activities due to fear and just exist.
  
  or accept that death is as much a part of life as what living is, and no one escapes it, and keep doing what you do. ie living, not exisiting

but culling sharks or erecting nets so humans can play. it's an interesting pov from someone like you. by advocating for any action on sharks, you are becoming all the things you despise and hate about humans. you're just another rat in the maze at that point bruvs.


the thought of a long slow fight with cancer while it robs me of my dignity and faculties is much worse than surfing, and being taken by a shark. there's an enormous release and amount of freedom and an abundance of joy out there, once you accept that

I'm wondering if, with age, comes a re-think of risk assessment. Much like many risky endeavours.
I've surfed some sketchy places in southern Tas without a shred of doubt nor fear, that i would now, 30 years on, seriously reconsider doing so.

Netting probably saves at least 50 lives a year in Australia. We've had it for so long that people forget the historic fatalities pre netting. And that was when the population was a fraction of what it is now and without the explosion in ocean usage with the advent of surfing.

Meanwhile millions of sharks die yearly from human predation. The few shark deaths from netting are a small price to pay.

Cranked wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:28 am

Netting probably saves at least 50 lives a year in Australia. We've had it for so long that people forget the historic fatalities pre netting. And that was when the population was a fraction of what it is now and without the explosion in ocean usage with the advent of surfing.

Meanwhile millions of sharks die yearly from human predation. The few shark deaths from netting are a small price to pay.

An interesting and I would think, valid point.
But for me it's not the shark deaths I'm concerned about.

It's the dolphins, turtles etc.

50 people died of covid this week cranked and you didn’t give a fuck. Shame on you

Cranked wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:28 am

Netting probably saves at least 50 lives a year in Australia. We've had it for so long that people forget the historic fatalities pre netting. And that was when the population was a fraction of what it is now and without the explosion in ocean usage with the advent of surfing.

Meanwhile millions of sharks die yearly from human predation. The few shark deaths from netting are a small price to pay.

if we removed netting it would 100% not change my habits. and if it changed other's ... i'd be cheering for less people in the water.


like trev said, its the indiscriminate nature of nets which is really on the nose. human entitlement at it's most outrageous, imo


and the highlighted bit is a wild bit of guessing, huh?