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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:56 am

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Re: Midlengths

Post by carvin marvin » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:58 pm

Recently checked out one of Bert Burgers design talks.
His perspective on volume is at the other end of the volume spectrum .
His number is .33 litres per kg of body weight and this number relates more to surface area than volume.
He's a big bloke and he mentions he was riding a board 23'' wide and 1 7/8'' thick in small waist high waves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhutKBSYVo

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:39 pm

Wot? Everyone has a differing opinion. There's a good article floating around from Rusty P on the topic.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Beerfan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:42 pm

carvin marvin wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:58 pm
Recently checked out one of Bert Burgers design talks.
His perspective on volume is at the other end of the volume spectrum .
His number is .33 litres per kg of body weight and this number relates more to surface area than volume.
He's a big bloke and he mentions he was riding a board 23'' wide and 1 7/8'' thick in small waist high waves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhutKBSYVo
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Re: Midlengths

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Re: Midlengths

Post by batoes » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:34 pm

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Im trading my Takayama Egg for a 7' Astron Zot today. The sleeker TSA zots are out of production.
You quading it?
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Re: Midlengths

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:13 am

Yep batoes, its having the quad plugs being put in as we speak.

Davros, thats a lot of praise being heaped on the zot, but basically I agree with Burnsie, god knows what he would of said if he'd tried them as a quad, I find them deeply flawed as a single. Counterintuitively, I think I need the drag and stability of the quads to calm them down in bigger waves - they hold such sweet lines.

I now have a 6'1, 6'8 and 7'. Their plan shape, rocker and foil is so much better than a nugget, Darren Rogers shapes are much more to my liking than Geoffs. I hope I'm done with fcuking around with different boards for a few years and can just get down to surfing these three. Its been a long search.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:14 am

How would one get hold of a Darren Rogers?

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Re: Midlengths

Post by JaM71 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:22 am

Hey cranky, have you considered setting one of your zots up as a duo? I have a feeling NPJ's duo set up would improve a Mccoy *Please note I have no scientific evidence to support this statement and am in no way responsible or liable if this f$&ks up your new board :lol:
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:11 am

Oh fcuk, what a great idea!

Only drawback is the tail would have 4 sets of FCS plugs and three fin boxes.

I saw a video of some duos being ridden at the racetrack at Ulus and thought all the cutbacks were a bit awkward. The boards seemed to be behaving more like single fins than multi fins.

Nevertheless, I'd really like to have a go on one.

Ahh! But seriously, the 6'8 has had the centre box glassed over after it rolled. I could have that removed and filled with foam, and the two short boxes put in. Thats a definite possibility, I'll get a quote when I'm in bali next.

Has anyone ridden a duo? How do they go?
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:08 am

Batoes has ridden a Duo.

Some major surgery required on the Zot.

Stop complicating things Jam, surfing is hard enough :lol:

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Re: Midlengths

Post by JaM71 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:51 am

Davros wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:08 am
Batoes has ridden a Duo.

Some major surgery required on the Zot.

Stop complicating things Jam, surfing is hard enough :lol:
Just trying to be helpful Davros!

Given that Cranky is riding good quality waves, the duo is suited to good waves, the duo has an eggy outline like the zot.......how could it not work! You know it makes sense :lol:
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:17 pm

NPJ seems to pump those Duos out. I've not seen one ridden live but the feedback is you need powerful lines up waves.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:35 pm

I almost phoned the guy doing the quad conversion on my zot to say lets make it a duo, but sanity prevailed. I was lucky enough with the quads and really I think a quad would be better, and they are really well proven in all conditions.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by marauding mullet » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:41 pm

I imagine NPJ went through a lot of trial and error with fin placement on those duos, and probably still hasn't formulated a precise rule for all board shapes.
Good decision cranked, unlikely old mate in Bali would get it right first time, at least there's generally accepted guidelines for quad fin placement
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:07 pm

I had a read though MM. He tried various placements and fin sizes, but ended up with 6.75" double foiled fins, 6" apart and parallel to the stringer. You can guess where the boxes are from the tail and they are adjustable in any case. But as you say thats for his shapes, the McCoys are quite different so fin placement might be different too, perhaps proportionate to tail width, not absolute.

But, are they better than (or even as good as) a quad. Good chance they aren't. If everyone starts riding them I might have a go. I like to be a follower in board construction and design, not a leader.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by batoes » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:28 pm

Yes - not sure about the duo i rode. Very connected to the wave and definitely back footed. Certainly drivey - but ultimately not for where i surf. I think the duo requires good waves, with power and length. At the moment, i surf close to home (four kids and a wife who doesn't care for long surf missions) and therefore it's pretty much punchy beach breaks and the occasional point session. I've found that choosing boards for where you surf is far better than picking eye candy.
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