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Re: Midlengths

Post by ctd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:52 pm

Looking at this - just not certain. its an MC Islander 6'10 x 22 3/4 x 3 1/4 (wide!). Single concave as well, although not sure how deep. 5 fin set up. Seems like almost a 'big boy shortboard' (I'm not particularly big) or maybe something close to a Firewire Addvance (with a narrower nose) or a V-skate, which would probably be ok. The volume is probably a bit high but I'm on a Nugget at the moment (6'10) and that is probably about the same volume
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:08 pm

That's a lot of foam if you're not tipping 100. And with the single all way through it MAY be hard to manage the speed. Of course it's highly likely I'm completely wrong.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Beerfan » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:56 pm

ctd wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:52 pm
Looking at this - just not certain. its an MC Islander 6'10 x 22 3/4 x 3 1/4 (wide!). Single concave as well, although not sure how deep. 5 fin set up. Seems like almost a 'big boy shortboard' (I'm not particularly big) or maybe something close to a Firewire Addvance (with a narrower nose) or a V-skate, which would probably be ok. The volume is probably a bit high but I'm on a Nugget at the moment (6'10) and that is probably about the same volume

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I like foam but that's too big for you mate. Paddle insane and catch anything but you won't turn to well. If you don't mind then grab it but you may regret it. I've way over foamed before and regretted it. A bit extra yes but way over nah. Got a 7'6" big guy board off the 2nd hand rack from carabine, pointy nose short board. Paddled deluxe, and late drops were an absolute breeze. Turns were glacial though and felt very long. 7' would have been best of both worlds but 7'6" was just too long

Comparing a similar sized nugget isn't really fair, ones a round bottom and ones deep concave.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:30 pm

Ditto. I'm a victim of over foaming, the first couple of waves are fun then it's "fk this"

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Beanpole » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:49 pm

I've waxed and waned over my fat bullet. The deep concave makes it really responsive and fast. Chines mean it rarely catches. However it's wide with a relatively refined nose and tail which can add to a bit of see sawing when the take off isn't clean. As you put weight behind the mid point it tends to slow down. Volume can be a bit of an issue if there's too much whitewater as well.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by ctd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:23 pm

Thanks for the comments, food for thought . I knew it was high volume (I'm 80kg or a tad more) but narrow nose etc so thought there might still be relatively easy turning. not that I'm a massive turner, mostly weaving up and down and the odd (looking) cutback. I do have a mini mal so have a high volume board; possibly this MC isn't the one to sit underneath that.

And I do like a bit of stability in my boards - I'll blame being tall but really it's life long lack of balance; probably a rounder nose is more suited

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:59 am

I've just gone back to McCoys, and loving them, after a two year romance with about 15 different concaves in the 6'6 to 7'6 and 38 to 45l ranges.

The two factors I found most important for me were ease of catching a wave and control in critical situations, NOT performance per se, and I'm at best an average surfer.

But I do surf much faster, bigger, more powerful and hollow waves than is normal on the east coast. I am much more likely not to surf due to it being too big than too small
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Beerfan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:03 am

ctd wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:23 pm
Thanks for the comments, food for thought . I knew it was high volume (I'm 80kg or a tad more) but narrow nose etc so thought there might still be relatively easy turning. not that I'm a massive turner, mostly weaving up and down and the odd (looking) cutback. I do have a mini mal so have a high volume board; possibly this MC isn't the one to sit underneath that.

And I do like a bit of stability in my boards - I'll blame being tall but really it's life long lack of balance; probably a rounder nose is more suited
Should I mention the f word? Fish around your height, wide enough with enough foam. Quad or keel. Fast weaving s turns and sweet cutbacks. Some quirks for sure ( backhand tricky ) but can be great fun. Handle better waves than most people think.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by carvin marvin » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:06 am

ctd wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:52 pm
Looking at this - just not certain. its an MC Islander 6'10 x 22 3/4 x 3 1/4 (wide!). Single concave as well, although not sure how deep. 5 fin set up. Seems like almost a 'big boy shortboard' (I'm not particularly big) or maybe something close to a Firewire Addvance (with a narrower nose) or a V-skate, which would probably be ok. The volume is probably a bit high but I'm on a Nugget at the moment (6'10) and that is probably about the same volume

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I agree with what's been said.
If you go to the Firewire site you can find a board with similar dimensions to the MC Islander, the closest I found was 6'10 by 22'' by 3 1/4'' which has a volume of 55.4 litres, if you add about 1 1/2 litres for the 3/4'' width difference you get 57 litres.

The 6'10'' McCoy XF model has a volume of 51 litres, other dims are 21 1/2'' wide and 2 7/8'' thick.

So that is a 6 litre step up.

For Mccoys I have always liked about .6 of a litre of volume for every kg of body weight, this seems to be the right tuning for the dome bottom to plane most efficiently.

Applying this ratio to you at 80kgs and you get 48 litres as your suitable MCCOY volume which is 3 litres less than the nugget.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by ctd » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:25 am

carvin marvin wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:06 am
I agree with what's been said.
If you go to the Firewire site you can find a board with similar dimensions to the MC Islander, the closest I found was 6'10 by 22'' by 3 1/4'' which has a volume of 55.4 litres, if you add about 1 1/2 litres for the 3/4'' width difference you get 57 litres.

The 6'10'' McCoy XF model has a volume of 51 litres, other dims are 21 1/2'' wide and 2 7/8'' thick.

So that is a 6 litre step up.

For Mccoys I have always liked about .6 of a litre of volume for every kg of body weight, this seems to be the right tuning for the dome bottom to plane most efficiently.

Applying this ratio to you at 80kgs and you get 48 litres as your suitable MCCOY volume which is 3 litres less than the nugget.
Yeah, that sounds all reasonable. My nugget is 6'10 x 21 1/4 x 3 1/16, so is probably around 50L give or take. I dont think I really need more volume (I can catch waves easy enough with the nugget), but I'm not looking to go too much lower.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:43 pm

Fk Im getting a 62 litre McCoy then. Watch out world. Imagine getting that in the head.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by saltman » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:02 pm

carvin marvin wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:06 am
ctd wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:52 pm
Looking at this - just not certain. its an MC Islander 6'10 x 22 3/4 x 3 1/4 (wide!). Single concave as well, although not sure how deep. 5 fin set up. Seems like almost a 'big boy shortboard' (I'm not particularly big) or maybe something close to a Firewire Addvance (with a narrower nose) or a V-skate, which would probably be ok. The volume is probably a bit high but I'm on a Nugget at the moment (6'10) and that is probably about the same volume

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I agree with what's been said.
If you go to the Firewire site you can find a board with similar dimensions to the MC Islander, the closest I found was 6'10 by 22'' by 3 1/4'' which has a volume of 55.4 litres, if you add about 1 1/2 litres for the 3/4'' width difference you get 57 litres.

The 6'10'' McCoy XF model has a volume of 51 litres, other dims are 21 1/2'' wide and 2 7/8'' thick.

So that is a 6 litre step up.

For Mccoys I have always liked about .6 of a litre of volume for every kg of body weight, this seems to be the right tuning for the dome bottom to plane most efficiently.

Applying this ratio to you at 80kgs and you get 48 litres as your suitable MCCOY volume which is 3 litres less than the nugget.
So what your really saying is McCoys are overvolumed tanks in standard sizes
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Re: Midlengths

Post by JET01 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:35 pm

Davros wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:43 pm
Fk Im getting a 62 litre McCoy then. Watch out world. Imagine getting that in the head.
My 6'0 and 6'2 are both 31L, you can gaffer tape the two of them together and go nuts. :D
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Water Skis

I have a 35 litre board

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Beerfan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:56 am

ctd wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:25 am
carvin marvin wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:06 am
I agree with what's been said.
If you go to the Firewire site you can find a board with similar dimensions to the MC Islander, the closest I found was 6'10 by 22'' by 3 1/4'' which has a volume of 55.4 litres, if you add about 1 1/2 litres for the 3/4'' width difference you get 57 litres.

The 6'10'' McCoy XF model has a volume of 51 litres, other dims are 21 1/2'' wide and 2 7/8'' thick.

So that is a 6 litre step up.

For Mccoys I have always liked about .6 of a litre of volume for every kg of body weight, this seems to be the right tuning for the dome bottom to plane most efficiently.

Applying this ratio to you at 80kgs and you get 48 litres as your suitable MCCOY volume which is 3 litres less than the nugget.
Yeah, that sounds all reasonable. My nugget is 6'10 x 21 1/4 x 3 1/16, so is probably around 50L give or take. I dont think I really need more volume (I can catch waves easy enough with the nugget), but I'm not looking to go too much lower.
How do you want it to surf is the key. Going similar volume but the area switched around ( wide point forward rounded nose ) will surf totally different.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by JaM71 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:20 am

If you re considering a non concave, low volume 7'' plus midlength, .....Gato Heroi.... there have been a few on gummie recently.

Sit in the pocket & trim, then step back on the tail to carve, those beautiful knifey rails keep the volume down.

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Re: Midlengths

Post by Cranked » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:46 am

Im trading my Takayama Egg for a 7' Astron Zot today. The sleeker TSA zots are out of production.
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Re: Midlengths

Post by Davros » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:44 am

You're out of control. Abort, abort, abort

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