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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:34 pm

I had a quick surf during the lunch break. 3-4ft at Cronulla point, ssw wind.
5'5 x 19 1/2 x 2 1/2 30.5L Firewire Evo.

Initial thoughts, and my level of skill won't require much more of an update
on this "review"

Fast, the thing's fekking fast.

Paddling: Flat water - Board didn't seem to paddle as well as my 6'0 when I jumped in off the rocks, but once I warmed up and found the sweet spot, there was a slight improvement, but there definitely is a difference. That will help improve my paddling so I'm not too fussed for now.
Into waves: surprisingly I didn't dig my nose or go over the falls on a single take off. Could be the new board stoke at play here. I find I never seem to fall off a new board. Either way, I was happy not to stack it.

I noticed the extra tail width, which I reckon made the board feel really stable. At 19.5 wide, this is the narrowest board I've ever ridden (only by a 1/4"). Getting the back foot on the tail pad on a board this short is really important, and I'm looking forward to this having a positive effect on my surfing. I think all the time I've spent on midlegths and singles has helped a few bad habits creep in i.e my pop up finds me too far forward.
Also with such a wide squarish tail, I reckon this helps on bottom turns. I found that my speed heading back up towards the top of the wave was a lot faster than usual.

The other thing that really stands out was the sensation of being so high on the water's surface. Planing hull indeed. I was planing big time. Especially when I had to get down the line to make it through the shitty middle section between 1st and 2nd reef that often closes out at low tide on a S swell.

Volume: didn't seem to notice the drop from my poly 31.3L to the LFT 30.5L. Will be interesting to see how this goes in smaller waves. One of my big concerns put to bed.

Fins: Shapers core light ML (two tab) fronts with a large AM centre fin. The guy I bought the board from had it set up as a quad with one of those Darc drive centre nubster things and forgot to put the centre fin in the bag, so naturally it's in the mail. I wasn't game to have the first surf on a quad. I will later on. Just because I had some spare, I've put some Neo Glass Medium performers in the board for the next surf. Fins are a tiny bit smaller. ( No reason, just being a gear nerd, couldn't deal with the FCS1 fins in the FCS2 boxes when I had a spare set laying around.)

Did a few decent swoopy turns. Initially it seems the board had enough hold, enough drive through turns, and didn't slide out as I didn't really push too hard on any turns.

Shape: I liked not having so much board in front of me. Almost felt like I was whizzing around on a magic carpet. I did notice the difference in swing weight, which I had previously not given any thought. My back's a bit dodgy, but the short length didn't seem to bother it. I even like the shape of the nose for general in-water handling.

Initially I'd have to say I'm pleasantly surprised. Enough float, enough paddle, feels very positive off the bottom, and was a different feel to a board with normal single to double concave.

It's a keeper at this stage.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by Cranked » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:21 pm

Great review jet
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by Beerfan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:38 pm

Sounds like not a huge adjustment either.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by swvic » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:02 pm

Wasn't for mine either. Clicked from wave 1. Tried it as a quad a couple of times, but it was perfect with 3
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by godsavethequeen » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm

Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes

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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:18 pm

godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
There are a few polls on the Firewire forum about the Evo's and fins.
I've read that some punters have had some success with a twin + 1 setup. I never would have thought about putting twins in it.

I'll definitely try it as a quad....but I have my suspicions that it won't stay like that for long.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:20 pm

Beerfan wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:38 pm
Sounds like not a huge adjustment either.
We'll see how things go on my next few surfs.
I can't surf tomorrow, and it looks like we're in for a bit of a flat spell from friday.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by swvic » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:30 pm

godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
Bottom turns woulda got me in trouble, gstq. Remember the shit I copped for the sequence I posted?
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:33 pm

swvic wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:30 pm
godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
Bottom turns woulda got me in trouble, gstq. Remember the shit I copped for the sequence I posted?
Sequence? I posted a video once, I don't know how I was allowed to log on again. I wonder whether the link worked properly as it didn't draw many comments which I found unusual.

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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by godsavethequeen » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:37 pm

swvic wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:30 pm
godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
Bottom turns woulda got me in trouble, gstq. Remember the shit I copped for the sequence I posted?
You must be thinking of someone else swiv :-o

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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by swvic » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Yeah, must've :-D-:
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by batoes » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:34 am

JET01 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:18 pm
godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
There are a few polls on the Firewire forum about the Evo's and fins.
I've read that some punters have had some success with a twin + 1 setup. I never would have thought about putting twins in it.

I'll definitely try it as a quad....but I have my suspicions that it won't stay like that for long.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:16 pm

batoes wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:34 am
JET01 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:18 pm
godsavethequeen wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:12 pm
Watch it swiv, the wide tail police will be here in a minute shouting that you need four fins on a tail that big. The arseholes
There are a few polls on the Firewire forum about the Evo's and fins.
I've read that some punters have had some success with a twin + 1 setup. I never would have thought about putting twins in it.

I'll definitely try it as a quad....but I have my suspicions that it won't stay like that for long.
Don't spend too much time over there. Peanut gallery.
I'm with you Batoes. I find the quality over there variable. Not many credible opinions. I mainly head over there to read up on sizing and durability issues. Most of the other shit you read is "this board flies", "I make sections i never used to make", this board paddles like a mal" Blah blah Blah. it's good though because there are a few guys my height and weight that are older than me. So I usually use them as a guide. What they ride I know I can go a size or two shorter.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:37 pm

http://youtu.be/ZrYt5t3qalI

Frothing on this.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:55 pm

Had another short session on the Evo after work today. Feels just as good the second time around.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by batoes » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:37 pm

I've always wanted one but for smaller days. This review peaked my interest a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GYxSEfRsKE&t=210s

How small do you think it can handle Jet?
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by JET01 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:44 pm

I'll give it a crack on a small day and get back to you. My gut feel is that with the wide tail and efficient bottom shape, it'll go well in small stuff.

But around here though I normally get on the midlength or longboard in waves that small, I'd rather spend the time learning to nose ride. Especially when it's crowded. I just can't bring myself to compete for small waves on a shortboard.

I reckon the waves in the clip would be the smallest I'd ride any shortboard in, evo included.
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Re: Modern Planing hulls

Post by batoes » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:37 pm

JET01 wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:44 pm
I'll give it a crack on a small day and get back to you. My gut feel is that with the wide tail and efficient bottom shape, it'll go well in small stuff.

But around here though I normally get on the midlength or longboard in waves that small, I'd rather spend the time learning to nose ride. Especially when it's crowded. I just can't bring myself to compete for small waves on a shortboard.

I reckon the waves in the clip would be the smallest I'd ride any shortboard in, evo included.
Thanks Jet. I find Tomo boards pretty sensitive to fins - what are you running in yours?
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