correct paddling technique?

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Post by oldman » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:17 pm

Nice to see you back in the forums Nick. I thought you might have 'moved on'.

This forum has been a very interesting one. I've been working on your technique there Nicholas, and it isn't exactly straighforward but I think I'm getting it.

Much appreciated.

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Post by hymie » Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:39 pm

thanks nick. the problem is elbows only, the shoulders are fine. i thought it might be something like tendonitis. i'll pay a visit to the physio.

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Post by Nick Carroll » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:18 am

Don't spend a lot of money there...you're gonna be living with this "paddle elbow" for some time.

just been busy oldman. back and forth a bit in the next few months. good to hear you're getting the swing of it.

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Post by mpcutback » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:05 pm

hi . new to forum and been reading this thread with enjoyment. I was wondering if there are any glimpses of the technique on any surfing dvd 's. I think i have it in my minds eye but woud be good to see it in action if only for a few seconds . Also , how deep do you go ? Full arm immersion or only to elbow ? oooh Matron .
I would like to say to Hymie that I use Bowen Technique for my injuries . Google for background and you will find details . I am no New Ager but what struck me was they use it on horses and whats good enough for Mr Ed is good enough for me .
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Post by Nick Carroll » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:18 pm

See Bottle Thompson demonstrating it in stills seq in the Complete Guide Vol 2.

Re arm, the deeper the better -- the more arm in, the more water displaced.

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Post by RickyG » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:52 pm

I was watching the underwater shots from Grant Hacket's 1500m final on the weekend and paid close attention to to the way his hand was entering the water on each stroke - it's been a while since I've visited this thread but to me it seemed like a pretty good demonstration of the catch technique discussed here, especially the angle of the hand as it enters the water, followed by what appeared to be a brief pause (presumably to get the best performance out of the stroke).

Has anyone else noticed this in the olympic swimming? I guess it's one of those little things that can set someone apart from the others in a sport that comes down to such minute time differences .

From what I could see he was pretty much the only one doing it (didn't help him get the gold though :wink: )

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Post by silvafish » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:28 am

i find when your about to paddle the last five strokes into a wave,suck everything into your bum cheeks like your got bali belly,this will flatten out most of your back onto the deck of your board,extra speed,easy entry,better transition for learners..try it!

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Post by Grooter » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:07 am

First up this is a great thread, I only discovered it on Friday, and I've been itching to put NIcks advice into practice.

I went out for the early on Sunday to a break down here which has a very long paddle (around 400-500 metres) to get out the back to put the technique into practice.

And fcuk did it make my surf a hell of a lot better!!!

I stopped using my shoulder muscles and as Nick advises used my upper back and biceps to pull the water rather than try and shovel/windmill it like I always used to. I actually found that working my hands under the board was better than along the sides, maybe it was my technique, and I was also making a conscious effort to really move my body with every stroke as well to dissipate the stress of the movement. Consequently I got out the back much faster, was less tired and even kept up with my mates who ride bigger boards than me too.

I did find that I got extra power when I used my tricep muscle to flick the water behind me after using my upper back and biceps to pull the water under my board. I think this is called the S motion. I reserved this just for when paddling to catch a wave as it obviously took more energy to do but the paddling speed I got was definitely a lot more as well.

All up thanks heaps Nick this has certainly made a big improvement and my shoulders feel great as well.

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Post by Hozameen » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:15 pm

dang it!

I have prided myself on being very quick around the line up.

Now thanks to Nick, it wont be as easy to out paddle everyone :(

In reality it is wonderful advice.

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Post by oldman » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:42 pm

Nick Carroll wrote:See Bottle Thompson demonstrating it in stills seq in the Complete Guide Vol 2.

Re arm, the deeper the better -- the more arm in, the more water displaced.
I'm looking forward to doing that Nick, when your publisher ever gets this freaking book distributed.

I told the wife that it would be a suitable Father's day present (both to me and to you) and so she has ordered it from some bookstore a week or two before Father's Day, but here we are, nearly 3 weeks later, and not a word has been read.

Should ask for a discount if they ever come through.

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Post by wanto » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:02 pm

pretty sure it was out last xmas because i gave one to my brother :wink:

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Post by oldman » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:10 pm

wanto wrote:pretty sure it was out last xmas because i gave one to my brother :wink:
Yeh there around. Would have thought the book store had a better opinion of its customers than to keep us waiting this long.

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Post by Nick Carroll » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:42 am

Mrs oldman should go straight to the publishers, she'll get a quicker result that way. Same people as Surfing Life.

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Post by dUg » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:49 am

Here's a question on paddling technique. Why do clubbies ( rescue board )do that funny scissor action thing with there legs??

I was watching a swarm of nippers paddle past last night and thinking, "that doesn't look terribly efficient".

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Post by Nick Carroll » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:03 pm

OK! This is something taught to nipper paddlers to help 'em throw their entire spindly frames into the task of moving water.

Kick the opposite leg and it:

a) shifts the opposing arm fractionally further forward into the grab
b) helps balance the weight shift caused by the reach and grab.

Once you get a bit bigger and shift up to the longer racing mals, you have to de-tune this part of your prone paddling style, which is easy enough 'cause knee paddling is a fair bit quicker than prone, and you tend to focus on that instead.

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Post by dUg » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:59 am

Cheers Nick. I will never laugh at how silly a clubbie on a paddle board looks ever again. :lol:

Not unless it's the "bum sniffer" competition... that kills me every time

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