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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by godsavethequeen » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:01 pm

A lot of the problem is that they're giving 10s for surfing that is neat, precise but (for a pro) not overly difficult. The over-promotion of rail work a few years ago, which to me seemed like a sledgehammer/nut way of granting ongoing relevance to a generation of pros unable to match the new breed of aerialist, has led us to this ridiculous situation where a safety carve has the same value as a massive alley-oop. No seismic change to the mechanism of the scoring system is needed, they just need to give 8s and nothing more to well-surfed waves with no critical turns and reserve the upper two points in the range for the really mental shit. I'm not holding my breath though

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Davros » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:02 pm

Why did Toledo dye his hair gray. Brother from one grey man to another, stay raven as long as you can. Stay raven.

God he's ripping, hows his set up bottom turn. Great

That's an interesting point equating a rail turn to a safety turn. Don't disagree and an interesting point to ponder.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by godsavethequeen » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:18 pm

Well, not all rail turns Dav. Some of the hacks that JJF does carry nearly as much risk factor as a big air. But how often do you see a pro fall on the ones that Turpel calls a big down carve? Almost never

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by alakaboo » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:01 pm

That drift Jordy did in his 'perfect' heat was next-level.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Davros » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:33 pm

godsavethequeen wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:18 pm
Well, not all rail turns Dav. Some of the hacks that JJF does carry nearly as much risk factor as a big air. But how often do you see a pro fall on the ones that Turpel calls a big down carve? Almost never
No they don't fall. For them the carves are pretty much sexed up transition turns.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Nick Carroll » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm

My fcuken god almighty it is Pumping here right now. I'm trying to write a story in a room overlooking Supertubes and I've had to turn the computer around so I can't look at the surf.

Fcuk! Parko just got about a 15sec barrel from the top of Supers down to the end. Flicked off and he's just sitting there.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Beanpole » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:20 pm

Davros wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:02 pm
Why did Toledo dye his hair gray. Brother from one grey man to another, stay raven as long as you can. Stay raven.

God he's ripping, hows his set up bottom turn. Great

That's an interesting point equating a rail turn to a safety turn. Don't disagree and an interesting point to ponder.
Toledo was crazy in the final heats. Managed to get the last two heats on the TV.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by The Mighty Sunbird » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:44 pm

Nick Carroll wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm
My fcuken god almighty it is Pumping here right now. I'm trying to write a story in a room overlooking Supertubes and I've had to turn the computer around so I can't look at the surf.

Fcuk! Parko just got about a 15sec barrel from the top of Supers down to the end. Flicked off and he's just sitting there.
I got a 15 second wave at Bondi once
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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Trev » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:48 pm

The Mighty Sunbird wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:44 pm
Nick Carroll wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm
My fcuken god almighty it is Pumping here right now. I'm trying to write a story in a room overlooking Supertubes and I've had to turn the computer around so I can't look at the surf.

Fcuk! Parko just got about a 15sec barrel from the top of Supers down to the end. Flicked off and he's just sitting there.
I got a 15 second wave at Bondi once
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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by marauding mullet » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:54 pm

How about this.......why does the scoring have to have a ceiling?
Ten could be a benchmark, but could go a little higher if the ride warrants it.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by godsavethequeen » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:59 pm

I supect the WSL wants an easy-to-comprehend narrative for the elusive masses in Dumbshit, Indiana who are all poised to adopt surfing as their favourite pastime. Ditch the ten as the acme and you end up in a dark new world of unwanted explanations

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by The Mighty Sunbird » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:03 pm

I'm still suss on the 0.01 measures
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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by swvic » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:06 pm

The 0.01 is derived from the 0.1 differential. 5 judges score. Highest and lowest discarded. Score is the mean of the 3 retained
Eg. 9.1 8.9 9.1 9.2 9.3
8.9 & 9.3 discarded
(9.1 + 9.1 + 9.2) / 3 = 9.13
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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by The Mighty Sunbird » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:33 pm

Looks like trickery
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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Over55yrs » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:11 am

What is sometimes more interesting is the range of scores from the judges eg Freds second counted wave in the final had scores of 9.8, 9.2, 9.5, 9.5, 8.8 (looks low).

So the 9.8 and 8.8 were dropped for wave score of 9.4

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by No Pants Lance » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:38 am

digits shmigits. i dug the purity vs creativity narrative.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by channels » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:03 am

Is the answer to the 10 dilemna to set an event benchmark for something considered nearly impossible.

You want a 10 at J Bay? A 10 second barrel past impossibles or 2 Oops plus 6 turns on one wave.

You want an 7? 6 - 7 turns, all committed nd all different.

Anything less than that starts with a 4.

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Re: J-Bay Pro 2017

Post by Davros » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:40 pm

I have to say I liked the fact Telodo seemed to surf a lot more top to bottom (and above) than say JJ who seems to like to hang mid face to top.

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