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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Beanpole » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:13 pm

Good explanation. I always associated swallows with having the bite of a pintail with the advantage of the extra width. Fish pretty much work like this. It's always a drawback if you do a turn that ends with you more or less over the tail. Not a problem on a round tail, pin or even square tail. Good for down the line rail surfing though.

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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Nick Carroll » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:29 am

marauding mullet wrote:Just to complicate things, enter the baby swallow. They seem to be a common option on bigger more gunny boards, don't know the why or how.
See above re straightening the outline curve. Effectively turns a given outline into something 3-4" longer.

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Re: Quiver thread

Post by tootr » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:57 am

Assuming the same board, eg, rail line length and tail width, what are the effects if any of various tail shapes?
Eg swallow, chopped square, bat tail, moon tail etc.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by crabmeat thompson » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:58 am

Nick Carroll wrote:
And because of the disruption in the board's centre line end point (the stringer end being up from the rail end), the effects of rocker are diffused. Maybe that's why a lot of swallowtail boards have a pretty flat rocker. (This is why you won't see too many top pros riding swallows, they are focused on surfing off the rocker curve, not the outline curve, and the swallow's outline curve is too restrictive for them.)

to this day, the only surfing i've seen in the same ballpark of JJF, is Mick on that little blue, channel bottomed, swallowtail at Jbay, and here around home.

He murders waves on that thing.

why does that particular swallow, suit Mick's surfing so much?
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by alakaboo » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:08 am

My amateurish observations.

I believe it has the same rocker as his normal boards.

The channels mean the tail rocker can stay decent despite the shorter length.
The swallows mean the rail length is a bit straighter, especially through the tail section, but it can still fit into those smaller pockets.

Mick's board is very rarely flat, so he gets the maximum drive out of the channels and fins (which I would guess are a bit longer in base than normal)

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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JaM71 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:06 pm

JET01 wrote:Took the 5'11 El fuego out again today out at dropping tide voodoo rights. No wind. MRTFX fins with small trailer. Really noticed the more pivotty feel of the bigger fins. Did a few really nice turns (for my level) and found i was able to pivot off the bottom a little easier on the steeper ones. It was like a knife through butter out on the open face.
Main difference I felt from my usual round tail boards was the sharper direction changes. I haven't felt that before. Probably my imagination, but it definitely felt different to my Sweet spot 2.0 and the PCC 6'0 i just traded for a newy.
I had a 6'2 M10 Hogfish Tuflite years ago when i was coming down from a mini mal with a similar fin futures fin set up. I've been regretting selling it for years as I had a few magic sessions on it but got carried away experimenting. Havent' seen one for sale since, but this board is the closest thing I've been able to find. A keeper.
Might try it as a quad, but at the moment I can't really see much point. I haven't ridden a super twin setup since so I'm thinking my style of surfing suits that fin set up.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JaM71 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:09 pm

My current quiver:

6'0 Campbell Bros pod
6'9 morning of the earth single fin
7'6 gato space pig

I also have collecting dust:

5"6 Campbell bros MLV
5'11 mote MP cutback board
5'11 mote tracks twinny
5'9 Gary Mcneill RTT
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JET01 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:01 pm

JaM71 wrote:My current quiver:

6'0 Campbell Bros pod
6'9 morning of the earth single fin
7'6 gato space pig

I also have collecting dust:

5"6 Campbell bros MLV
5'11 mote MP cutback board
5'11 mote tracks twinny
5'9 Gary Mcneill RTT
How does the tracks twinny go?
Where do you normally surf it?
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Nick Carroll » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:34 pm

crabmeat thompson wrote:
Nick Carroll wrote:
And because of the disruption in the board's centre line end point (the stringer end being up from the rail end), the effects of rocker are diffused. Maybe that's why a lot of swallowtail boards have a pretty flat rocker. (This is why you won't see too many top pros riding swallows, they are focused on surfing off the rocker curve, not the outline curve, and the swallow's outline curve is too restrictive for them.)

to this day, the only surfing i've seen in the same ballpark of JJF, is Mick on that little blue, channel bottomed, swallowtail at Jbay, and here around home.

He murders waves on that thing.

why does that particular swallow, suit Mick's surfing so much?
Drive off the channels. Shorter ABs are mostly swallows too. The tail suits the channel action.

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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JaM71 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:39 pm

JET01 wrote:
JaM71 wrote:My current quiver:

6'0 Campbell Bros pod
6'9 morning of the earth single fin
7'6 gato space pig

I also have collecting dust:

5"6 Campbell bros MLV
5'11 mote MP cutback board
5'11 mote tracks twinny
5'9 Gary Mcneill RTT
How does the tracks twinny go?
Where do you normally surf it?
Beautifully made, truly well constructed & feels great under the arm. I love the rails that Simon Jones does. Mine is a 4 channel diamond tail with a wing, it's for good waves not necessarily big but certainly likes something with a bit of energy. I took it to Lombok last year & use it on the points or beachies up here. Haven't ridden it for a while tho been on a single fin & bonzer trip.

The channels give it grip/drive & removes the slide that u don't need at critical moments or sections.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Davros » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:45 pm

Bit low on McNeills there ol' Jam

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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JET01 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:17 pm

JaM71 wrote:
JET01 wrote:
JaM71 wrote:My current quiver:

6'0 Campbell Bros pod
6'9 morning of the earth single fin
7'6 gato space pig

I also have collecting dust:

5"6 Campbell bros MLV
5'11 mote MP cutback board
5'11 mote tracks twinny
5'9 Gary Mcneill RTT
How does the tracks twinny go?
Where do you normally surf it?
Beautifully made, truly well constructed & feels great under the arm. I love the rails that Simon Jones does. Mine is a 4 channel diamond tail with a wing, it's for good waves not necessarily big but certainly likes something with a bit of energy. I took it to Lombok last year & use it on the points or beachies up here. Haven't ridden it for a while tho been on a single fin & bonzer trip.

The channels give it grip/drive & removes the slide that u don't need at critical moments or sections.
Rainbow fins?
After having so much success on the El fuego recently, my next tangent will be an similar board for sure.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JaM71 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:12 am

Davros wrote:Bit low on McNeills there ol' Jam
Ha ha ha! Yeah, my TT is the best! I have been toying with the idea of getting a longer one like a big fish but without the volume.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by JaM71 » Mon May 01, 2017 10:13 am

Hey Jet, no I use Aipas or AMT's. They are my fav twin fins in anything
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Hatchnam » Mon May 01, 2017 12:01 pm

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6'2 twin
6'3 eighties thruster
6'4 hi perf thruster
6'10 single fin mini gun
6'11 seventies single fin
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by Cranked » Mon May 01, 2017 12:57 pm

Well, here goes:

6'1 poly zot
6'5 epoxy round tail
6'6 ST Byrne thruster fish
6'6 ST twin + trailer fish
6'8 poly zot
6'9 ST Fatburner thruster fish
7' ST Merrick Flyer 2
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9'2 ST Wayne Dean mal
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by crabmeat thompson » Mon May 01, 2017 1:08 pm

i start to convulse whenever i see cranked was the last person to post in the quiver thread. but this time 'round, a few poly zots saved his ass from merciless and punishing anti-tufflite resent.


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5'9" ACSOD Fox - twin fish.
5'11" Merrick Custom Semi Pro 12 rounded pin.
6'2" MR Super Twin - this has been put on ice. it's pretty beat up.
6'6" Gil Glover single pintail
9'3" performance log by chris garrett.

I still feel like I need an everyday board. Somewhere between the twin fish & merrick. there's a bit too much space between them and they do.
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Re: Quiver thread

Post by steve shearer » Mon May 01, 2017 1:53 pm

small waves

5'9" single flyer round pin twinzer.
5'10" e-wing Octafish 5 fin bonzer
5'10" 6 channel quad.
6'0" round pin quad
6'3" round pin quad
6'4" baby swallow McCoy thruster.
6'4" McTavish Scooter 2+1


Medium waves

6'9" Gunter Rohn round pin thruster
6'9" Jim Banks round pin deep concave thruster
7'0" Pintail Bonzer 5

Bigger Waves
7'6" Round Pin Desert Storm ridden as quad.
8'0" McCoy Single Fin area Pintail
9'0" Brewer/Chapman thruster pintail Sunset gun.

Mals/Tandem/SUP

9'1" Munro HP longboard with asymmetrical tail from flying off the roof
9'6 Brocky single fin log
11'0 big fucking surftech used as tandem board and SUP
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