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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:16 pm

Godsave comes out of the gates like a greyhound dosed with cobalt chasing a wounded rabbit when any impression is broadcast which paints the UK surfer as a bumbling, incompetent noob.

Thats why he's so vociferously defending Magic Seaweed here, as a homegrown UK product.

It's a tribal defence, not a scientific one.

Which is fine.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Nick Carroll » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:25 pm

Next he’ll be leaping to the defence of Pottz.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by godsavethequeen » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:28 pm

I forget steve, is the straw man/ad hominem stage the one just before the acceptance and apology stage or do we have a couple more to go?

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by jimmy » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:31 pm

Nick Carroll wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:25 pm
Next he’ll be leaping to the defence of Pottz.
Or Lord Ted Deerhurst.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:31 pm

godsavethequeen wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:28 pm
I forget steve, is the straw man/ad hominem stage the one just before the acceptance and apology stage or do we have a couple more to go?
You tell me, you opened your hand playing that card.
Which I think only confirms my impression posted above.

it's a kind of reverse colonial inferiority complex.

I've been patiently trying to explain scientifically why Magic Seaweed is crazier than a cracked Swiss cuckoo clock.

I drove this guy to the airport today....Cornwall surfer with a Firewire Machado Go Fish.....he had some funny things to say about Snowdonia......kept calling the waves there "7 foot".

Surely we can stand on common ground and condemn Magic Seaweed for spreading this ?
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by godsavethequeen » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:03 pm

You’re either trolling me - in which case, well played, hook line and sinker etc etc - or you’re wilfully not hearing my explanation of their forecasts. ‘Scientifically’ would be you carefully documenting the swell as recorded by the Byron buoy and comparing it to the swell forecast for Lennox head and noting the actual wave height at Ballina compared to the forecast. If they differ wildly then I will be happy to concede that you are right. What ‘scientifically’ isn’t is unverified assertions about unpublished research based on false assumptions, backed up by a single (probably apocryphal) anecdote

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Beanpole » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:29 pm

Can I just say Magic Seaweed got all the details right for the swell when I hit it up to Crescent a few weeks ago. Spot on.....except they gave it a one to two star rating for the place. It was if not prime very close to.

Seven feet rocks.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by offshore1 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 am

Rodney Sumpter, greatest surfer of all time.
Discuss.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Thud » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:37 am

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Beanpole » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:30 am

offshore1 wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 am
Rodney Sumpter, greatest surfer of all time.
Discuss.
Definitely not.
Discussion over.

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Post by Yuke Hunt » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:50 am

Thud wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:37 am
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Mex, his brother is a good fella.

Don't discuss.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:08 am

godsavethequeen wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:03 pm
You’re either trolling me - in which case, well played, hook line and sinker etc etc - or you’re wilfully not hearing my explanation of their forecasts. ‘Scientifically’ would be you carefully documenting the swell as recorded by the Byron buoy and comparing it to the swell forecast for Lennox head and noting the actual wave height at Ballina compared to the forecast. If they differ wildly then I will be happy to concede that you are right. What ‘scientifically’ isn’t is unverified assertions about unpublished research based on false assumptions, backed up by a single (probably apocryphal) anecdote

<:

Do you even know where the Byron Buoy is Godsave and what it measures?

Once more, their report is for Lennox Head, not Byron Buoy.
They are (supposedly) forecasting breaking waves in feet. Not buoy readings.

This is for both Ballina and Lennox Head.


Update: Tomorrow forecast for Lennox is 6.5ft dropping to 5.5ft.
Forecast for Ballina: 3.4ft.

I don't think you know enough Godsave to even realise how ridiculous this is.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by foamy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:22 am

Obviously, when they say Ballina, they are not talking the Wall, but a few hundred yards away where nobody much surfs anyway.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Beanpole » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:31 am

Maybe they are talking about inside the River. Steve going all local on GST just because he is telling him how big the surf is in front of where he lives from the other side of the world.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Cranked » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 am

Steve, do you know what data a wave buoy records and how that data is interpreted/processed/manipulated before being released? Serious question.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Drailed » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:23 am

Nick Carroll wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:25 pm
Next he’ll be leaping to the defence of Pottz.

:lol:
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:53 am

Cranked wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 am
Steve, do you know what data a wave buoy records and how that data is interpreted/processed/manipulated before being released? Serious question.

Yes I do.

But more importantly I know what are the confounding/contaminating influences on the buoy data.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Cranked » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:58 am

I've thinking that to automatically adjust open ocean swell data to wave heights for a given beach/reef you would need to record a series of observations of the actual spot wave heights for that swell height, period and direction.

From those observations we could arrive at adjustment factor to convert an open ocean swell data to a particular spot's wave height for a given swell direction. As a single factor I think it would work more readily with wave energy and could also be automatically scaled to accommodate swell direction.
And thats not even taking into account the peculiarities of a particular buoy location

Do you know if any automated surf forecaster does this? It seems most unlikely.
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