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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Cranked » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:25 am

In regard to quote 3:
Surfers have always been the most gigantic narcissists... lifelong hardcore surfers who sublimate every other part of their lives to the tides and the swell and the weather," in their conception of themselves as exceptional and not answerable to anyone, ...this strand of arrested development in surf culture.
Is it arrested development or a near spiritual breakthrough into a meaningful life
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:19 am

Is that quote attributable to Baker?

That whole trope of surfers as selfish narcissists is really one of the most tired and clapped out cliches around.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:20 am

You want selfish narcissists Fiona Capp and Simon Baker look at Hollywood actors/directors or writers.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by No Pants Lance » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:04 pm

steve shearer wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:19 am
Is that quote attributable to Baker?

That whole trope of surfers as selfish narcissists is really one of the most tired and clapped out cliches around.
from my reading no, it's attributed to Winton.

Kinda has a point though, but I'd qualify it on the grounds that the term narcissist itself, has taken on a whole other meaning in this age of gender/socio-sexual politics.

The selfish, individual centric aspect of a surfer is a given i reckon.
Nothing to be shamed by or vilified with.

You could say the same about golf.
or fishing.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by foamy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:10 pm

Steve, we are all selfish narcissists. That's the facticity :wink: of the human condition.
But, the primary purpose of writing, directing and acting is to produce something for others to use.
Not with surfing. It is pure self-indulgence. It's just a way of feeling good. Nothing wrong with that. But people who go on about how surfing makes you special should take their hand off it.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:41 pm

Nah mate.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:50 pm

A, I reject the notion surfing is uniquely predisposed to producing selfish narcissists and it may even have a counter vailing effect over a lifetime and b: I reject the notion that surfing is purely self indulgent. It has a very strong utilitarian element which has both easily observed subjective parameters and easily quantifiable objective parameters.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Nick Carroll » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:01 pm

I would add c) surfing is still growing and developing as a culture here in Australia and in most other places around the world, just because for a while the Aussie surf culture looked pretty adolescent etc does not mean it is now or will be in the future. I think Fiona is remembering something that's no longer quite true.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by foamy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:05 pm

Though surfing is play so will always happily retain something of the child.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:11 pm

But somehow conflating that with racism, sexism etc etc is just bullshitt logic.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by No Pants Lance » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:12 pm

steve shearer wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:50 pm
A, I reject the notion surfing is uniquely predisposed to producing selfish narcissists and it may even have a counter vailing effect over a lifetime and b: I reject the notion that surfing is purely self indulgent. It has a very strong utilitarian element which has both easily observed subjective parameters and easily quantifiable objective parameters.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by foamy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:19 pm

steve shearer wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:11 pm
But somehow conflating that with racism, sexism etc etc is just bullshitt logic.
I didn't agree with that. Those isms do not seem innately adolescent.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:20 pm

I know you didn't Foamy, it was Fiona Capp who made those causal connections.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:24 pm

And this premise of toxic masculinity that Tim Winton seems in thrall to.
It ruins his fiction, makes it overwrought and inauthentic. Especially in the case of Breath. Last third of that book was a mess.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:53 pm

Just can't get my head around Derrida Skip. Had a few cracks at it. Foucault makes more sense to me.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by black duck » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:13 pm

steve shearer wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:24 pm
And this premise of toxic masculinity that Tim Winton seems in thrall to.
It ruins his fiction, makes it overwrought and inauthentic. Especially in the case of Breath. Last third of that book was a mess.
The last third of nearly all his books are a mess.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by 2nd Reef » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:21 pm

black duck wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:13 pm

The last third of nearly all his books are a mess.
Agree.

I went and saw the premiere the other night and had pre-judged it a stinker because of that, but instead I came away all lightheaded and enthused. Wasn't a great fan of the book, Winton can often lead you into unlikely scenarios yet somehow convince you of their possibility, it's a strength of his storytelling, however the asphyxiation sex bit was like a malignant tumour on an otherwise fine specimen and I couldn't suspend disbelief. Fortunately Baker tones it down, so while there's still a plastic bag under the bed, it's more representative of adult sex in general, dangerous to an emotionally vulnerable teenager, and the analogous aspect of risk taking that the book turns on.

I knew no-one like Pikelet when I was a grom, a surf-crazed teen that had the fortitude to say no to a revered mentor, and I doubt many exist. So Pikelet saying no to Sando is one of those unlikely scenarios Winton manages to present with conviction. And it worked, at least on film. It may come off as moralising viewed in context with his recent toxic masculinity campaign but it didn't feel like that in the darkness of the cinema. Others may judge that differently.

Of course, it ain't just the ideas that we'll judge, there's also the visual presentation. Do we again look like dills up on the big screen? To this at least, I reckon every surfer will agree that Baker nails it. The surfing quirks aren't explained, he doesn't try to make the surf look 50 foot, there's no climactic big wave scene, no pseudo mysticism. Every actor surfed and so did the writer, director, and the whole water unit too.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by ctd » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:38 pm

black duck wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:13 pm

The last third of nearly all his books are a mess.
Probably good that it was changed for the film

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