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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by S4MS » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:50 pm

Amateur surfers put no money into the bodies, that's the difference.

Footballers, golfers etc pay their annual fees. Fishermen pay their licenses.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:51 pm

Yes, if that was in response to my point. \\

i meant: apart from the WSL , as in the WSL is not a peak body representing surfing in the same way that SA and SQLD etc etc are.

But there is a connection between the two. Surfing QLD is the conduit between the permit issued by the QLD government to the WSL to hold the comp at Snapper.
I would like to know more about this somewhat shady arrangement and how it moved between the ASP and the privately owned WSL. What obligations, for instance were on the WSL and what rights (or not) did they have to make ambit claims about what could and could not be done on site as they did.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:53 pm

S4MS wrote:Amateur surfers put no money into the bodies, that's the difference.

Footballers, golfers etc pay their annual fees. Fishermen pay their licenses.

Nah mate, you've missed the point there. \
surfing Aus is funded by taxpayers and by fees paid for by board riders clubs, surf schools etc etc.\\

Rec fishing licences are collected by the govt and are theoretically used to improve the fishery.

They don't go to pay for peak bodies such as Ozfish etc etc who directly represent rec fishermen.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by crabmeat thompson » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:54 pm

steve shearer wrote:Where is surfing QLD, Surfing Australia on the question of the jet ski debacle on the Goldy?\

They stand for nothing except as conduits to drain taxpayer money into pro surfing endeavours and to increase the participation rate

you answered your own question, brew.

mysurf tv, an off-shoot of surfing australia, had a ski filming out at the alley while the clusterfuck was going down. they are part of the problem.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by crabmeat thompson » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:57 pm

steve shearer wrote:
S4MS wrote:Amateur surfers put no money into the bodies, that's the difference.

Footballers, golfers etc pay their annual fees. Fishermen pay their licenses.

Nah mate, you've missed the point there. \
surfing Aus is funded by taxpayers and by fees paid for by board riders clubs, surf schools etc etc.\\

Rec fishing licences are collected by the govt and are theoretically used to improve the fishery.

They don't go to pay for peak bodies such as Ozfish etc etc who directly represent rec fishermen.
Shep is right.

When i was sup training, i wasn't allowed to enter ocean events, unless I paid a rego fee to surfing QLD. they covered insurances and all kinds of things to the point where without the registration paid, i couldn't enter these events and realise my dreams as a waterman.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Beerfan » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:59 pm

Another instance of big govt holding down the common man :-D-:
we are the angry mob
We read the papers everyday
We like who we like, we hate who we hate
But we're also easily swayed

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by crabmeat thompson » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:02 pm

Beerfan wrote:Another instance of big govt holding down the common man :-D-:

when will we rise up against our opressors and say enough is fucking 'nough?
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:09 pm

I think my point stands: that organised, lets say corporatised surfing, and the peak bodies that represent it often stand in conflict with recreational surfers, that is despite recreational surfers vastly out-numbering them.

From Surfing QLD's website: Surfing Queensland is the recognised not-for-profit peak State body of a National Association entrusted and committed to the development of the sport of surfing and the education of the general public on surf safety and surf survival.
Purpose: Why we exist? To promote a healthier, more inclusive and active Queensland through experiencing the sport of surfing.

Surfing Queensland has over 4000 affilated members and hundreds of direct financial members. Membership is not confined to competitive surfers, rather, Surfing Queensland's membership structure provides something for all sectors of the surfing community ranging from interested spectators to WCT competitors.


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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by S4MS » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:12 pm

steve shearer wrote:
S4MS wrote:Amateur surfers put no money into the bodies, that's the difference.

Footballers, golfers etc pay their annual fees. Fishermen pay their licenses.

Nah mate, you've missed the point there. \
surfing Aus is funded by taxpayers and by fees paid for by board riders clubs, surf schools etc etc.\\

Rec fishing licences are collected by the govt and are theoretically used to improve the fishery.

They don't go to pay for peak bodies such as Ozfish etc etc who directly represent rec fishermen.
Don't really know about fishing tbh but here's the broad point. I like soccer and surfing. Soccer gets over $500 of my cash every year (over $1,000 if I include my kids) and I am somewhat represented. Surfing gets $0. So I'm not surprised that I get no representation from the latter peak body even if both are topped up by tax payer funds.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by steve shearer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:16 pm

Even if the peak body is collecting tax payer funds (your money) on your behalf and is claiming to represent you as a means to do so?
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Trev » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:25 pm

steve shearer wrote:Even if the peak body is collecting tax payer funds (your money) on your behalf and is claiming to represent you as a means to do so?
That's quite possible. But maybe the soccer body also gets tax payer funds from the government. Which would still make s4ms point valid in that soccer is between $500 and $1000 pa better off than surfing from his involvement.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by S4MS » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:29 pm

steve shearer wrote:Even if the peak body is collecting tax payer funds (your money) on your behalf and is claiming to represent you as a means to do so?
It's not right but not surprising. Only a tiny percentage of those tax payer funds come from recreational surfers so who are we to throw our weight around and make demands?

If every recreational surfer paid $500 a year to a 'peak body', you can bet that our interests would be better represented.

BTW what are we fighting for again? Artificial reefs? Better wave buoys? Personally I'm not sure what I really need from a peak body...

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Nick Carroll » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:45 pm

It is interesting stuff the whole "what should pro events be allowed to do at a location" via their deals with whomever.

But I'm not sure about your central point here steve, do you think bodies like Surfing Australia should be lobbying to stop more people taking up surfing, or at least failing to encourage it, so that current surfers can have more waves? 'Cause they aren't gonna do that. Every sports and recreational organisation in Australia exists in part to encourage the take-up of their sport/recreation, it's a corollary of being into it enough to join such an organisation. Organisations that turn to discouraging people from what they supposedly represent turn very sour very quickly (look at tree's car crew).

And I am not sure that discouraging people from surfing is necessarily in the best interests of most of us. Who among Realsurf's membership were actively discouraged from taking up surfing as a youth? What effect did it have? How can we say it's OK for me and my kids to surf, oh and some of my mates, but not these other people? It's not good for people to deny others the things they enjoy, it rots you a bit.

To me SA definitely needs to start carrying more of a torch for Australia's broader surfing population but whatever that means, a la S4MS, I'm pretty sure they'll go on encouraging people to surf. That's what drives the Surf Grom program and the Soldier On thing and the 24/7 rescue technique coaching, which are all pretty positive.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Nick Carroll » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:48 pm

btw I totally get you're not much of a joiner, I fully appreciate that in fact. But god help you if your kid is.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by Davros » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:04 pm

Surfing Q constitution

https://d30ei0jhgxjdue.cloudfront.net/u ... tution.pdf

42 page constitution and not a KPI or a mesureable service level anywhere. I say. So they do what, for who, with tax payers dosh? Saying that can't think of anything I'd like them to do for me.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by The Mighty Sunbird » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:25 pm

Brian Brainwave wrote:
Beerfan wrote:Another instance of big govt holding down the common man :-D-:

when will we rise up against our opressors and say enough is fucking 'nough?
Rise up Brainwave!
Fcuck the WSL and their shitty visa glasses.
I suggest you head down to snapper and start the revolution by purchasing items!
2 dollar coins under the foreskin style!
Erase.

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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by crabmeat thompson » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:28 pm

possibly what Shearer is trying to say, is Surfing Australia, should be doing more for rec surfers. currently they seem to fly the flag for comp surfing and the pros doing it.

by all means bring other people to surfing. but ffs look after them in the water.

ie sending their own ski out in among paddlers at the alley, is actually adding to the problem, (which is also illegal?) and someone will get run over by a ski at some point.

it's not what you'd expect from a governing body.
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Re: Just general surfing stuff

Post by crabmeat thompson » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:29 pm

The Mighty Sunbird wrote:
Brian Brainwave wrote:
Beerfan wrote:Another instance of big govt holding down the common man :-D-:

when will we rise up against our opressors and say enough is fucking 'nough?
Rise up Brainwave!
Fcuck the WSL and their shitty visa glasses.
I suggest you head down to snapper and start the revolution by purchasing items!
2 dollar coins under the foreskin style!

Fuck that. It'll be a dollar eighty under the old foreskin. in 10 cent pieces!


take that, oppressors!
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