The national war on bikie gangs
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Apparently bikie gangs make up for 0.6% of all crime statistics.
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I hear the "Mild Ones" scooter club will be next on the hit list.
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They're beautiful wild and free. Let them be I say.
Fcukennwueensleand gubmint making them scapegoats. What'll they suppress next!!?
'pparently all these frozen yoghurt joints are fronts
Fcukennwueensleand gubmint making them scapegoats. What'll they suppress next!!?
'pparently all these frozen yoghurt joints are fronts
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Well viet nam. War criminals maybe. Surely at least one of them killed or at least raped a gook baby or something. Im with the cops on this one.tonka79 wrote:Great use of the new bikie laws.
Queensland police raid recreational Vietnam and Veterans Motorcycle Club under anti-bikie laws
Yeh, go raid those Vietnam vets.... good work police. Maybe, when you have time, you can go catch some actual criminals....
How about this quote:
In a statement Queensland Police said the raid was "part of a strategy to develop a rapport with legitimate members of the motorcycle riding community in the interest of effective policing".
Yep, raiding non-criminal gangs is 'part of a strategy to develop a rapport with legitimate members of the motorcycle riding community'.
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I'm not totally convinced, Nick. Community expectations may eventually pressure change for those terrible criminals such as gays wishing to marry or people in the grip of addiction. Laws that deal with serious shit haven't really proven to be effective as a crime preventive over the long term either, apart from removing some perps from society for periods of time. As part of the community, everyone is entitled to some degree of recognition and influence. Except readers of the Telegraph. They get no say and should be punished separately."Community expectations" are not in any way a reliable gauge of effective justice in any area. They're too shape-shifty. They're based on sand. Today's "community expectations" are tomorrow's nonsense. Laws that deal with serious shit, that put people away for long periods of time, that are pushed and tested in courtrooms, have to be considered and shown to work or otherwise over long arcs, not altered and prosecuted by some politician trying for the cheap vote or worse.
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Yeah, just send us to the University of the underworld. Great fucking system. Love it!Little wrote: ... apart from removing some perps from society for periods of time ...
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Sure, it's a good point. But there's a clear distinction between the sorts of long term pressures exerted over many years to elicit change on behalf of people who have suffered from essentially meaningless social bigotry, and a kneejerk political reaction designed to appeal in the short term to a vaguely fearful electorate.Little wrote:I'm not totally convinced, Nick. Community expectations may eventually pressure change for those terrible criminals such as gays wishing to marry or people in the grip of addiction."Community expectations" are not in any way a reliable gauge of effective justice in any area. They're too shape-shifty. They're based on sand. Today's "community expectations" are tomorrow's nonsense. Laws that deal with serious shit, that put people away for long periods of time, that are pushed and tested in courtrooms, have to be considered and shown to work or otherwise over long arcs, not altered and prosecuted by some politician trying for the cheap vote or worse.
It's the long term results of the short term actions that should be concerning people here.You don't need new laws to bust people for manufacturing and dealing hard drugs, there's plenty of those laws in place already. If those new laws are turned against innocent people by a judiciary corrupted by political interference, then you've got something worse than a couple of bikie gangs.
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True, peeking through the blinds 'tards sure got skipped in the brain department.icepick wrote:Yeah, just send us to the University of the underworld. Great **** system. Love it!Little wrote: ... apart from removing some perps from society for periods of time ...
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Can I just say I am totally for Campbell Newman declaring war on a pack of bikies. Particularly if he fronts them on his own. I would love to see Cam stick his rude little head into a nest of bikies...or wasps for that matter. Maybe he can declare war on wasps.
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Apparently the Finks in response to being labelled a criminal organisation have patched themselves over to a bigger USA club.
"The worlds deadliest", if The Australian is to be believed and there gonna shoot any cops that pull them over.
Can't possibly be a media beat up!
"The worlds deadliest", if The Australian is to be believed and there gonna shoot any cops that pull them over.
Can't possibly be a media beat up!
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The deadliest don't wear patches.
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Do 'bikie clubs' in the true sense even exist anymore? You know, guys with long beards who are really into bikes?
I think the words 'bikie' and 'bikie club' are miss used by the media way too much.
As an example the so called Brothers for Life don't seem anything like a 'bikie club ' at all. Yet that is what the media call them for some reason. Gives the real bikies if there are any a pretty bad name. Surely the real bikies would hate all the attention these other dingbats are drawing to them?.
Like do the smart criminals really walk around with a patch on their back in large numbers signalling to everyone that they are up to no good? That kind of seems really dumb to me.
I think the words 'bikie' and 'bikie club' are miss used by the media way too much.
As an example the so called Brothers for Life don't seem anything like a 'bikie club ' at all. Yet that is what the media call them for some reason. Gives the real bikies if there are any a pretty bad name. Surely the real bikies would hate all the attention these other dingbats are drawing to them?.
Like do the smart criminals really walk around with a patch on their back in large numbers signalling to everyone that they are up to no good? That kind of seems really dumb to me.
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Yeah yeah .... Anyone nominated you for TOTY....
there'd be some fcuken hot ethnic slur goes here widows missing the felafel.
there'd be some fcuken hot ethnic slur goes here widows missing the felafel.
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Jeez Skip. I thought you would have learned how to have fun with the - definitely no ethnic slur goes here function by now.
Put your big boy pants on
I mean, tastebuds? WGAF?
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No. The dumb ones have patches on their upper sleeves.Natho wrote: ... Like do the smart criminals really walk around with a patch on their back in large numbers signalling to everyone that they are up to no good?
Then, there's the underground network. It is again very different. No symbolism there.
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The Thomas Kelly case might prove a worthwhile example. Four years on a reduced charge of manslaughter for a bloke on community orders for previous violent behaviour, a glassing included, won't do much for building community confidence. We seem to be supporting a lot of slow learners at the expense of decent citizens and this has been a long term trend. Read the Herald investigation into gay bashings during the eighties. I wish the community had been more vocal back then.... there's a clear distinction between the sorts of long term pressures exerted over many years to elicit change on behalf of people who have suffered from essentially meaningless social bigotry, and a kneejerk political reaction designed to appeal in the short term to a vaguely fearful electorate.
Compare the expected punishment for particular offenses in Singapore to what you'd expect with a half decent defence lawyer in Sydney, then compare rates for offending, especially re-offending. No contest. I'm not advocating harsher laws for chewing gum or spitting on the footpath, but for crimes of violence, particularly cowardly, unprovoked or "gang related".
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Wow, you mean to say the Finks are now Sons of Anarchy?eel wrote:Apparently the Finks in response to being labelled a criminal organisation have patched themselves over to a bigger USA club.
"The worlds deadliest", if The Australian is to be believed and there gonna shoot any cops that pull them over.
Can't possibly be a media beat up!
Only a rat can win the rat race.
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Little wrote:The Thomas Kelly case might prove a worthwhile example. Four years on a reduced charge of manslaughter for a bloke on community orders for previous violent behaviour, a glassing included, won't do much for building community confidence. We seem to be supporting a lot of slow learners at the expense of decent citizens and this has been a long term trend. Read the Herald investigation into gay bashings during the eighties. I wish the community had been more vocal back then.... there's a clear distinction between the sorts of long term pressures exerted over many years to elicit change on behalf of people who have suffered from essentially meaningless social bigotry, and a kneejerk political reaction designed to appeal in the short term to a vaguely fearful electorate.
Compare the expected punishment for particular offenses in Singapore to what you'd expect with a half decent defence lawyer in Sydney, then compare rates for offending, especially re-offending. No contest. I'm not advocating harsher laws for chewing gum or spitting on the footpath, but for crimes of violence, particularly cowardly, unprovoked or "gang related".
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