Crowded point breaks

[alakaboo]

Take off under the peak, remove that option.
If you don't, and they can backdoor it then swap to the left or suck it up

[Natho]

Bummy, if the right and left are both pretty rideable then ' split the peak'. The guy on the right goes right and the guy on the left goes left. If one side is better than the other and the, person behind the peak is clearly going in your direction or calls it then give em the wave.

[Cuttlefish]

Here's another question.

You've got a hollow A frame wave.

I'm taking off just to the right of the peak, and someone is taking off behind the peak and coming my way.

There's obviously a shoulder on both sides of the peak, so who has right of way?

The guy behind the peak?

I've noted it can often be hard to tell which way the guy behind the peak is going, left or right. Some people call it, but most don't.

Not trying to be nasty but you've got 3445 posts up on here and you actually don't know?
Forgive me as I spend most of my viewing/posting time on the weirdos section.
I'll go back there now...

[bumfluff]

I've always thought it was the guy behind the peak, until I read this:

"A Surfer Taking-off on One Side of a Peak Has No Right of Way over a Surfer Who Has Already Caught or Is Riding the Other Shoulder.

This means a surfer cannot cross under the peak to the opposite shoulder if is already occupied."

http://www.asudoit.com/paddle_fest/surf_etiquette.html

Hence my question

[steve shearer]

then I expect the exact same treatment,

Problem begins here.

[Natho]

It's funny that lots of people on here are ripping into bummy for his questions but seriously I reckon 60% of those out surfing in many of Sydney's breaks would not know the answer to these questions. I see it with my own eyes, so at least he is asking. Would probably help if more people asked these questions before just paddling out with no idea.

[bumfluff]

It's funny that lots of people on here are ripping into bummy for his questions but seriously I reckon 60% of those out surfing in many of Sydney's breaks would not know the answer to these questions. I see it with my own eyes, so at least he is asking. Would probably help if more people asked these questions before just paddling out with no idea.

But it's not cool to answer questions... not is it cool to aske them...

nor is it cool to drop in.

[Cuttlefish]

Surf schools need to educate their students better as well.
It's not like anyone's paying for a surf ticket (with a wave included with said ticket ) which has the rules printed on the back with the disclaimer in fine print.

[bumfluff]

Hey Bumfluff. Take this any way you like but here goes............

If you go out at a break where you consistantly have a shit time/get F.A waves/get burned,snaked etc

STOP SURFING THERE

One of the great things about surfing is that it's NOT regulated so generally the better surfers will get the lions share even if they do push the boundaries of your perception of 'fair play'. That's just the way it is and always has been.

Like Shearer said about Pipeline.....you go out at a break where you're down the pecking order you can't have expectations that the alpha crew will do you any favours. If you're good enough....your ability (and attitude to a certain extent) will get you waves. If not....suck it up and go somewhere where the competition and waves are at a lower level.

Been surfing for over 30 something years and that philosophy has worked very well for me over the journey.

I totally agree with you.

I went to a different point break the following day and dominated it purely because of a combination of less people out and the skill level in the surfers was lower, though everyone knew the rules.

I went from getting 4 sh*t waves the whole day to getting as many as I wanted and was calling people off my waves.

So yea it is totally to do with skill level I think and every break has a different vibe. Thoug some places it wouldn't matter how good your are, it would do your head in trying to get a wave amongst 100 people (Snapper, Noosa etc)

[bumfluff]

Did you read the "skill level was lower" bit?

I'm not saying I'm good, im saying different breaks have different skill levels and felt far more comfortable surfing there with fewer out.

[Cuttlefish]

So you dominated out there because the skills of others were lower and they all knew the rules.
However you were still calling people off your waves.
So did they know the rules or not?
Maybe they were thinking that this guys snagging too many waves.
The only answer is to drop in on him.
Poor buggers

[Rustt]

So you dominated out there because the skills of others were lower and they all knew the rules.
However you were still calling people off your waves.
So did they know the rules or not?
Maybe they were thinking that this guys snagging too many waves.
The only answer is to drop in on him.
Poor buggers

Was thinking that myself Welcome to the world of surfing bumfluff the most self centered lifestyle/sport you are ever going to come across. Really the only time anyone really gives up a wave is when they know there's a better one behind it.

[bumfluff]

Yea I can, that's my point.. The rules are there for a reason and you've just gotta find a break you're suited to.

There weren't dropping in but one or two were pretty close. Mind you one Mal rider blatantly dropped in on everyone. He didn't do it to me so I didn't say anything.

[Yuke Hunt]

Yea I can, that's my point.. Mind you one Mal rider blatantly dropped in on everyone. He didn't do it to me so I didn't say anything.

And just how is the incontinent and curmudgeonly old Trev going.

[chrisb]

Hey Bumfluff. Take this any way you like but here goes............

If you go out at a break where you consistantly have a shit time/get F.A waves/get burned,snaked etc

STOP SURFING THERE

One of the great things about surfing is that it's NOT regulated so generally the better surfers will get the lions share even if they do push the boundaries of your perception of 'fair play'. That's just the way it is and always has been.

Like Shearer said about Pipeline.....you go out at a break where you're down the pecking order you can't have expectations that the alpha crew will do you any favours. If you're good enough....your ability (and attitude to a certain extent) will get you waves. If not....suck it up and go somewhere where the competition and waves are at a lower level.

Been surfing for over 30 something years and that philosophy has worked very well for me over the journey.

I totally agree with you.

I went to a different point break the following day and dominated it purely because of a combination of less people out and the skill level in the surfers was lower, though everyone knew the rules.

I went from getting 4 sh*t waves the whole day to getting as many as I wanted and was calling people off my waves.

So yea it is totally to do with skill level I think and every break has a different vibe. Thoug some places it wouldn't matter how good your are, it would do your head in trying to get a wave amongst 100 people (Snapper, Noosa etc)

You totally dominated out there?? Haha, brilliant.

They don't call him "The King of Collaroy Point" for nothing.

[chrisb]

Good surfers don't need to drop in.

Why does little Tom do it then

[Trev]

Yea I can, that's my point.. Mind you one Mal rider blatantly dropped in on everyone. He didn't do it to me so I didn't say anything.

And just how is the incontinent and curmudgeonly old Trev going.

Very well, thanks for asking.

[Rustt]

Good surfers don't need to drop in.

Why does little Tom do it then

I said they don't need too. A fair majority of pro surfers will, I think it's an ego thing.