Fiji 2012

[Animal_Chin]

Piss weak pillow biters.

Quoting myself, but just read this interview with Kai Otten and am retracting the above.

http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/articl ... leId=10622

What do you make of the armchair criticism of the call not to run?I don’t care what anyone says who was not there. If they say we should have run, well, whatever. The four guys that got made to surf all went heavy waves and that just proves a point right there: if we had to surf we would have. But as it was, the conditions weren’t good. When I came in the conditions were shithouse. It only got good about two hours after that and by then it was already three in the afternoon and twice as big. And sure we could have borrowed bigger boards and paddle vests and all that sort of stuff but I’ve never even paddled into a wave with a paddle vest on. I wouldn’t have a clue what that feels like. There were guys paddling around with little oxygen devices on their wetties and others with inflatable wetsuits with a pull cord… that’s kind of next level. I think it’s pretty embarrassing that there’re a lot of computer cowboys that want to write people off because they didn’t want to have the heats. Do you really want to see someone die or drown just for your own amusement? I dunno.

Read more: http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/articl ... z20Sr0NYhq

[steve shearer]

It's just embarrassing that they didn't get the story straight.

[collnarra]

How would you have called it SS?

[steve shearer]

There's plenty of historical precedent in running surf contests in equally life threatening or big surf.
They run at Pipeline every year for chrissakes and that place has a serious body count.
Kai's reasoning is basically faulty on that point alone.
Most Pro sport is inherently risky, especially contact or "extreme" (used with distaste) ones.

It's just the reasons for not running have been all over the show and I think that exposes a very large lack of basic coherence in the sports structure.

[Nick Carroll]

Yes well that's finally about to be exploited it seems.

[Roy_Stewart]

There's plenty of historical precedent in running surf contests in equally life threatening or big surf.

They run at Pipeline every year for chrissakes and that place has a serious body count.


Kai's reasoning is basically faulty on that point alone.

No it isn't.

Kai did not base his argument on historical precedent or the lack of it.

You are arguing against a proposition of your own making.



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[Roy_Stewart]

Do you really want to see someone die or drown just for your own amusement? I dunno.

Read more: http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/articl ... z20Sr0NYhq

Many people are attracted to the spectacle of other people dying.



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[Hollowed out]

well on way to prove your theory Roy is to choose your method and send out the invite. I think there would be a queue a mile long just to make sure, I mean one has not really won the lottery until the cash is in the account

[steve shearer]

His argument was based on safety.

I rebutted it on the grounds that plenty of surf contests have been held in unsafe surf before (establishing a precedent).

[Roy_Stewart]

His argument was based on safety.

I rebutted it on the grounds that plenty of surf contests have been held in unsafe surf before (establishing a precedent).

Just because surf contents have been held in dangerous conditions in the past doesn't show that Kai's opinion that it was too dangerous to run the comp is faulty.

It is quite possible that he would have felt the same way about the prior comps which you are referring to.

In other words you disagree with him but have failed to show that his argument is faulty.

[Roy_Stewart]

well on way to prove your theory Roy is to choose your method and send out the invite. I think there would be a queue a mile long just to make sure, I mean one has not really won the lottery until the cash is in the account

I'm not into any practical test on the subject

[steve shearer]

ok. His argument is internally logical but I disagree with it.

And it doesn't gel with the other reasons given.

Also, as Nietzsche posited, all drama and (by my own extension) sport comes from the desire for cruelty.

So, yes, people do want to see others hurt for their own amusement.
They also want to see them excel and transcend normal boundaries under those conditions of "mortal peril".

[Animal_Chin]

My feeling on reading the interview was that the waves weren't so much unsafe as different. :?

Kai (and probably others) weren't prepared for the size of the waves. Boards were way undersized, he'd never used a vest and not a lot of monster wave experience.

It would be like the Socceroos being told at half time they were now going to play the All Blacks.

[Roy_Stewart]

ok. His argument is internally logical but I disagree with it.

That's better.