Whose Life is it anyway

[Beanpole]

Anyhow, Malcolm can thank Nick for drumming up a fair bit of extra publicity for his new book. He might get run out of Coolangatta though after being tarred and feathered and a public book burning.

[SDC]

OK, here's another scenario of a blatant rip-off:

What if you are trading under a Registered Business Name, advertise under that business name and have a ".com" website with the business name preceding it. What sort of ethics are attached to it when someone registers the ".com.au" website, uses your images on their website and trades under a similar name?

Too many fleas in society these days.

[localbogan]

Nick, I understand that Sean does not have any rights to MP'S life story.
Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems as if the point of your AFR article was not so much that Malcolm Knox had written a story about MP, moreover that he had used Sean's account of MP's life story as a basis for his own book

[Nick Carroll]

^^And as Sean said to me a number of times, and indeed he is quoted in the article as saying: "It's not my story."

Sean considered himself, as a biographer, to have largely been a conduit for MP and his family to tell their story; he does not consider himself to have any ownership of that story.

You may notice how that leads to one of the subtle underplays involved here: that while Malcolm had given Sean a manuscript of "The Life", and Sean (seeing the numerous parallels) had felt most awkward upon reading it, Sean didn't feel that he could really let Malcolm KNOW of his awkwardness, since he didn't feel an ownership of it.

Is that clear?

[steve shearer]

Shame.

Might have made for a good old fashioned literary beat down at the Byron Writers Festival.

I briefly entertained plans to go and heckle Knoxy pretending to be Doherty.

"Hey Knoxy you fcuking mini-mal riding kook.......go find your own story".


And just for the record, if it ever did get all Hemingway and serious I'd back Doherty, especially with Tommy Peterson in his corner with a broken beer glass.

[oldman]

You may notice how that leads to one of the subtle underplays involved here: that while Malcolm had given Sean a manuscript of "The Life", and Sean (seeing the numerous parallels) had felt most awkward upon reading it, Sean didn't feel that he could really let Malcolm KNOW of his awkwardness, since he didn't feel an ownership of it.

Don't know sean from a bar of soap (yep, understand he has had tracks and other surf mag career as well as the bio),

But that is really an admirable stance from Sean in my book.

Very Zen.

[Shane Peel]

Oh God the writers have got all antsy!
Shearer I'm watching from afar (the deck at Pasta Point in the Maldives), I reckon the thing about someone taking MP's story that riles up old surfers is the fact that it's best delivered in short bursts in darkened corners of pubs late at night via people who were there at the time, it's a treat an elder hands down like a little gem of wisdom. An hour with TP out strips any book about his bro (despite a fair bit of added fiction on TP's part) surfing is growing up guys and as it does it reaches out to more and more people, weird shit is gonna happen sacred rites are going to be violated by newcomers, respect is gonna fade and as the oncoming tide of freshwater washes away surfings salt there is not much anyone can do to change it.
Surf Journo's have a new force at their fingertips via the net but just like a kook who is handed a hi-performance board it does not suddenly make them experts or improve the quality of the work out there. Journalism and advertising are meant to be in bed together it's the management of that relationship that holds the key. There are options out there.
PS For the record Seano did a fuckin amazing job with MP's book and the fact a Ho-dad ripped it off is a fitting tribute, MP would be laughing at the lot of em … he knows the real stories.

[steve shearer]

Typical Peel.

Running away from solid swell in Indo to go hide at some Old man wave in the Maldives.

Once a tube dodger./.......

[oldman]

Typical Peel.

Running away from solid swell in Indo to go hide at some Old man wave in the Maldives.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

[Beanpole]

I believe he's doing a sequel about Peter Drouyn
Dear Diary, "Had some epic waves at Sunset, I think a one on one fight to the death surf contest would be good,.... I wonder what I would look like in a hula skirt?"
I love how everyone can still circle the wagons around an old comrade. Really what Knox's book is about. I think he nails an element of surf culture pretty well.

[localbogan]

Funny how Sean Doherty feels distinctly uncomfortable about Knox's book, yet chose to ignore my enquiries about how Pritamo Ahrendt possibly stole my idea.
I would have thought a guy who essentially had his own work plagiarised would have been more sympathetic

[Yuke Hunt]

Funny how Sean Doherty feels distinctly uncomfortable about Knox's book, yet chose to ignore my enquiries about how Pritamo Ahrendt possibly stole my idea.
I would have thought a guy who essentially had his own work plagiarised would have been more sympathetic

Can't you go and blow that smoke up someone else's arse ... your beef should be with the ASP ... and/or Pritamo Ahrendt ... your perceived plagiarist ... not the journalist who reported the story on the changes ... yet you seem to be taking a deliberate aim at the messenger ... thats distinctly uncomfortable ... chine.

[Trev]

Funny how Sean Doherty feels distinctly uncomfortable about Knox's book, yet chose to ignore my enquiries about how Pritamo Ahrendt possibly stole my idea.
I would have thought a guy who essentially had his own work plagiarised would have been more sympathetic

Can't you go and blow that smoke up someone else's arse ... your beef should be with the ASP ... and/or Pritamo Ahrendt ... your perceived plagiarist ... not the journalist who reported the story on the changes ... yet you seem to be taking a deliberate aim at the messenger ... thats distinctly uncomfortable ... chine.

Hi womble, regarding the above, I do think LB draws a line clearly to Sean in his original post where he points out no response from Sean.

The idea accredited to Pritamo has conceptual similarities to my idea and he appears to paraphrase parts of my original submission in his response to Sean's questions.
I contact Sean and point these similarities out to him...and get no response.
His editor at SW, Vaughan Blakey, confirms in writing that Sean has received my emails.
So despite some reasonable evidence that Pritamo may have borrowed very heavily from my original concept, Sean chooses to totally ignore it and not even put a single word as a reply.

That part at least, bears some explanation. I should point out I'm not taking sides here just that an accusation has been made in some detail, but with no repsonse.

[Shane Peel]

Typical Peel.

Running away from solid swell in Indo to go hide at some Old man wave in the Maldives.

Once a tube dodger./.......

Yeah well see how ya go in Tahiti mate

[crabmeat thompson]

Uh-oh. The tube dodger just returned Shearers venomous volley with interest.

With interest!!

How yer going Peely? Good to see you still plying your craft.

[localbogan]

Wobble, in some ways you are right. I do not have any real issue with Sean other than he did not respond to my emails.
It does puzzle me though that given the information I supplied him (all of which could be verified) which suggested that his interview subject had possibly not told the entire truth during the interview he would choose to ignore it.
I would have thought that a decent journalist may have at least followed this up a little bit.
The only reason I posted here was because I saw the irony in Nick's article about how Sean himself had possibly been plagarised

[Damage]

But that is really an admirable stance from Sean in my book.

So you've got one too? Now I'm confused. :?

[alakaboo]

Localbogan, I think you need to give some serious consideration to the fact that the reason you didn't get a reply is not because the ASP was trying to steal your concept, but because you're just a tedious and annoying person to deal with.