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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Beerfan » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:03 am

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andy2476 wrote:It is useful as entertainment. It's a surfing magazine not a court document. You gumby's need to chill out. Like most things regarding surfing, it's subjective.
ok fair point but just trying to raise it in the hope that some smart bastard can think of a way to help work out (with subjectivity in mind) what will best suit at an individuals own level and in the type of waves they mostly surf.
Maybe a five stage rating of your ability from learning to do basic turns through to fine tuning performance could then be referenced to the main design features that those levels should look at as a priority :-?
Nick has the experience and thats really why I am asking. No criticism, just throwing out how fcuking confusing the whole design thing is, which is what that Stab clip and the opinions expressed seem to highlight.
You're over thinking it, try a few boards and you'll get some idea of what works for you.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by crabmeat thompson » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:04 am

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by andy2476 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:43 am

braith's last surfing companion was Charlotte Dawson
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by crabmeat thompson » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:55 am

andy2476 wrote:braith's last surfing companion was Charlotte Dawson

Troll much?
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by ctd » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:32 am

Beerfan wrote:
Hollowed out wrote:
andy2476 wrote:It is useful as entertainment. It's a surfing magazine not a court document. You gumby's need to chill out. Like most things regarding surfing, it's subjective.
ok fair point but just trying to raise it in the hope that some smart bastard can think of a way to help work out (with subjectivity in mind) what will best suit at an individuals own level and in the type of waves they mostly surf.
Maybe a five stage rating of your ability from learning to do basic turns through to fine tuning performance could then be referenced to the main design features that those levels should look at as a priority :-?
Nick has the experience and thats really why I am asking. No criticism, just throwing out how fcuking confusing the whole design thing is, which is what that Stab clip and the opinions expressed seem to highlight.
You're over thinking it, try a few boards and you'll get some idea of what works for you.

I think if the board test is testing only boards that are suitable for the top x% of surfers, then as a test it isnt much use to most people (other than 'this guy makes a great high performance board so potentially he will make one that suits you as well'). Knowing that Renault make great F1 engines doesnt help me choose a city runabout.

But if the boards are suitable for, say, a solid intermediate, then just because a top surfer can do more on the board doesnt make it a bad board for someone else. Its still a good board.

What might be useful is a test of boards designed for an intermediate surfer, but perhaps done by an expert surfer. With the understanding that the board wont 'rip and etc' as much as the high perf boards, but someone who can say whether its a good board in terms of design and construction and all the rest.

On another topic, Nick, are there any (professional) female shapers in Australia? Googling came up with 3 or 4 (only) in California. Any ideas why so few? I realise its a small and hard profession at the best of times but you would expect a few.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:54 am

^^ctd I don't think there's any full time female shapers in Australia.

There's a woman who glasses surfboards in Qld, calls herself the Lady of Many Colours, she's an expert in the modern trend of variable resin tinting, much sought after as I understand it.

Why no female shapers? Well jeez, that's pretty obvious. Apart from anything else I reckon women may be smarter than men and thus tend to avoid such things. But the profession is entirely dominated by masculinity at every turn, there's no welcome mat out even for new male shapers, no trade route, nothing. Why are there no women on this site, for example? I suggest it's because it's a male conversation and there's no way in, or at least most women would perceive it that way.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by saltman » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:54 am

Natho wrote:I've had some fun surfs at cross waves in the right swell. Haven't surfed it for a long time though.
Like wise :-D-: it can be great or a mere novelty , snapped a board there many years ago
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by saltman » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:58 am

Natho wrote:I've had some fun surfs at cross waves in the right swell. Haven't surfed it for a long time though.
Like wise used to wait for the southerly busters as a grom and run around from Bungan :-D-: it can be great or a mere novelty , snapped a board there many years ago
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by collnarra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:56 pm

saltman wrote:
Natho wrote:I've had some fun surfs at cross waves in the right swell. Haven't surfed it for a long time though.
Like wise used to wait for the southerly busters as a grom and run around from Bungan :-D-: it can be great or a mere novelty , snapped a board there many years ago
I've had some great waves out there. I've had some crap waves out there.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by andy2476 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:18 pm

I've had a handfull of good surfs out the path. I lost count how many crappy surfs I've had out there. all in hindsight though . at the time at a much younger age it was always a bit of an adventure.

a bit like making the trek to butterbox
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Yuke Hunt » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:43 pm

andy2476 wrote:a bit like making the trek to butterbox
I've always thought that was one of the coolest names for a break.

Brownwater not so ... although it is self explanatory.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by collnarra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:58 pm

Butterbox is crap 90% of the time - but the remaining 10% is fun.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by ctd » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:16 pm

Nick Carroll wrote:Why no female shapers? Well jeez, that's pretty obvious. Apart from anything else I reckon women may be smarter than men and thus tend to avoid such things. But the profession is entirely dominated by masculinity at every turn, there's no welcome mat out even for new male shapers, no trade route, nothing. Why are there no women on this site, for example? I suggest it's because it's a male conversation and there's no way in, or at least most women would perceive it that way.
Oh, no doubt about the 'masculinity' thing at all levels; but that said it only takes one guy to let you help out and then you operate on your own (and there must be women who can find that 'one guy' if they wanted).

With the womens professional surfing circuit getting much more press in Australia at least (starting from a very low base admittedly), and I usually see a few females out surfing when I'm out, I think there is a potential commercial benefit in being a female shaper selling boards 'designed for females' - sure a niche market, but a lot of the more (apparently) successful shapers work to a niche market (say McTavish or Grant Miller for the older (and fatter) guys).

I know a female friend of mine almost gave up getting her boards shaped because none of the male shapers she went to listened to what she wanted or believed her when she told them her skill level (which was pretty good).

Still, as you say, perhaps women are just too smart to do it.

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Re: Ask Carroll

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Beanpole » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:35 pm

Yep I was just going to say how about that lesbian female surfboard maker who got a grant off the government to develop specially designed surfboards at Angourie?

McTavish puts out a "special" girls surfboard which just looks like Carver in pink with frangipani s on it.

Re: girls in surfing generally. I think a lot of older girls paddle out and interpret the general vibe as sexist when in fact it's just dog eat dog with not much quarter given to anyone.

We had the Australian Women's Champ at Kingscliff- Jill Sanoti back in the seventies. Jill just surfed it out with the other groms at the beach and was as determined as anyone in the surf.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by marauding mullet » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:07 pm

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Nick Carroll wrote:- sure a niche market, but a lot of the more (apparently) successful shapers work to a niche market (say McTavish or Grant Miller for the older (and fatter) guys).
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I"m not sure Grant works to a niche market, he just puts a lot of thought into every one of his customer's boards, maybe he's just one of the few who is willing to cater to everybody, including Women….http://www.grantmillersurfboards.com.au ... mensboards

There's an amazing number of good female surfers I see around the traps of Newy.
A bit like most trades I suppose, there's smarter ways to make a buck.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:03 pm

Legion wrote:Don't they need boob indentations? I vaguely recall a 80s or 90s government grant or something being awarded to some women's surfing group to develop womens' specific boards with indentations ...
No Legion, they don't need boob indentations, in fact I am fairly sure most of the top chicks today would destroy every Realsurfer in seconds - in the water and out.

I personally don't think surfboards are gender-designed but maybe some boards appeal more to women than men. I don't think that takes a woman's touch but I don't see why a woman couldn't be a great board designer -- they'd just need to be way more focused and tough than most men board makers.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Beanpole » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:08 pm

Yeah shaping programs aren't gender specific.

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