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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Battery » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Nick would you give Lewis a job and post his Power Rankings on ASL...

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:16 pm

steve shearer wrote:
Nick Carroll wrote: just so you know, the SL Board Guide is the most popular single feature of the year with readers and (generally) with the board makers too - even the ones who don't get involved see a benefit.
No-one is questioning the popularity of it or it's commercial success. It's the integrity of the process that is in question.

The blind spots and double standards of the surf media are priceless.......it's quite bizarre.

If you purchased a Choice Magazine Nick promising a review of this years cars and read it in good faith then found out later only the car makers who paid a fee and were promised a favourable review were in the mag and that only former race car drivers or aspiring drivers who might have commercial links were the reviewers ......you would call BS on it.

It's Pure Cash for Comment. Almost of no help to the Average Joe surfer.

But yet it's the gold standard in the surf media.

Anyway, no-one seems to give a fcuk and like you say, as long as the punters keep lapping it up there's no need to change a winning formula.
You know steve I don't have a blind spot or double standard here at all. I don't mind if everyone knows that the board makers in the Board Test are given the chance to put a board in the Test because they buy a page of advertising in the mag.

With stuff like this I really try to light a candle. If this is how we can spend a fair bit of magazine space helping to show and tell a heap of readers about boards today, it's fine with me. There's a lot of great exchanges between the surfers and the board makers in the process, and there's a lot of good info that does come with the package every year. I relish the chance to check out all the boards and it informs a lot of other stuff I write in a typical year as well.

The world is not about to melt down nor the surf culture be damaged beyond repair by it, indeed it feels to me and obviously to a lot of readers and board makers that the whole thing is valuable and enhances the surf mag year a bit.

I am pretty good at working with disparate groups of people and somehow smuggling through a fair bit of value for everyone in the process so that's what I do here, it's just a professional task but with a considerable longevity and passion underpinning it.

Just let it go mate or do something else yourself that suits your own judgement.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:20 pm

Battery wrote:Nick would you give Lewis a job and post his Power Rankings on ASL...
It's not my deal. SL's editor Wade Davis is the one making that sorta call.

But if I were editor of a site or mag in charge of deep dish coverage of the pro tour I'd definitely give Lewis a gig. It might not be one he was keen to take on though.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by el rancho » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:24 pm

yeah don't think any surf media ever interested in acquiring advertising dollars from the big corpos will be employing lewis samuels anytime soon.

even though that original post-surf/surfline/billabong thing was years ago now

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Battery » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:31 pm

Nick Carroll wrote:
Battery wrote:Nick would you give Lewis a job and post his Power Rankings on ASL...
It's not my deal. SL's editor Wade Davis is the one making that sorta call.

But if I were editor of a site or mag in charge of deep dish coverage of the pro tour I'd definitely give Lewis a gig. It might not be one he was keen to take on though.
Wade doesn't like Lewis's Power Rankings... "to negative" :roll:
Sorry, I haven't brought a surf mag in years but somehow thought you had worked your way up the ladder to editor...

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by collnarra » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:22 pm

I like the board reviews and accompanying videos. They're interesting. I think having them reviewed by good surfers is the only way to go. I also don't see any problem with the board makers buying a page of advertising - the reader would have to be pretty thick to not realise there's a commercial association.

The key question is whether the readers get value out of the feature, and from what NC says, it seems to be true. In the eyes of the editor and publisher, that is delivering a good product.

Journalism untainted by commercial imperative is a lofty and laudable goal, and one obviously valued by Steve. But, unless you're working for Fairfax or the ABC, a goal often impractical and generally unachievable.

And even Fairfax - the travel writers and motoring writers, along with the tech guys, are all supping at the corporate trough. How do you think those motoring writers get to drive all those expensive cars in glamorous locations? I tell ya, Fairfax ain't stumping up. Nor is it stumping for when the tech guys visit CES ... and on it goes.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by steve shearer » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:04 pm

yeah sure, it's small beer. Not worth getting worked up over.

It's just I hear a very different narrative from some very experienced shaper/designers around here.

alot actually.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Karlos » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:17 pm

I thought the board reviews were more just about what's out there. I haven't read on in years, but doesn't it generally involve well-known & experienced shapers who know their craft? And the 'board reviews' simply talk about the current models? I can't imagine any of the shapers would be capable of sending dogs to ASL. They'd want to get that much right.

Feel free to correct me if I've missed the point.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Karlos » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:19 pm

Oh yeah, if you ever need the opinion of a bog-average surfer, I'd be happy to tag along to Indo with you lot.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by steve shearer » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:34 pm

I will shut the fcuk up about this I promise.

BUt the board test/bible was trumpeted as a summer board range test and then they tested them in perfect waves-moreorless- in the Telos........about as far from typical summer conditions as you can get.

Here's Hog riding a board being spruiked as a go-to board in average surf. In perfect six foot bowls.

How...is that relevant?

http://www.surfinglifeessentials.com.au ... ton-shapes

And Soli....godblesshim.....with his commentary: "I rode this with a really trippy fin set-up – a quad, but with a little spiny keel in the middle. The board felt good, but the fin set-up was so loose it threw me a bit. I pushed it out the back of a couple of waves. I felt like it needed a bit more fin in the back end and I let Hog know".


Does anyone out there really, truly think that board will go them in average surf like it went for Hog in perfect surf in Indonesia?

btw.....love Hog's lines in that vid. That to me is perfect backhand surfing.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Beanpole » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:06 pm

Agreed re: how good was his backhand attack.
I found watching that old bloke they had on there :) quite useful.
You could go okay, well I can do that but probably not that one.
Wouldn't probably make them all but you could see the board in action
on a few. Its funny with all the progress in surfing how constant some basic surfing styles remain.
You may surf a wave with a similar approach to someone without being anywhere near as good or bad so a board that works for them may be a possibility. That my two cents worth anyway.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by steve shearer » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:10 pm

btw NIck..I'll be the one wearing the groucho marx 'stache at the QuikPro if you're looking for me.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by el rancho » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:14 pm

the real conspiracy here is in the board short reviews

http://www.surfinglifeessentials.com.au ... k-fuse-2-0
JULIAN’S COMMENTS

“I’m more and more impressed with every update Hurley does of the Fuse boardshorts. The Dalek Fuse 2.0 is a pleasure to wear it’s also got some pop for the walk to and from the line-up!”
Hurley Dalek fuse: $189.99

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by steve shearer » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:22 pm

at two for thirty that's more than ten pairs of boardies from Bylsey's surf shop.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by pinhead » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:58 pm

steve shearer wrote:I will shut the fcuk up about this I promise.

BUt the board test/bible was trumpeted as a summer board range test and then they tested them in perfect waves-moreorless- in the Telos........about as far from typical summer conditions as you can get.

Here's Hog riding a board being spruiked as a go-to board in average surf. In perfect six foot bowls.

How...is that relevant?

http://www.surfinglifeessentials.com.au ... ton-shapes

And Soli....godblesshim.....with his commentary: "I rode this with a really trippy fin set-up – a quad, but with a little spiny keel in the middle. The board felt good, but the fin set-up was so loose it threw me a bit. I pushed it out the back of a couple of waves. I felt like it needed a bit more fin in the back end and I let Hog know".


Does anyone out there really, truly think that board will go them in average surf like it went for Hog in perfect surf in Indonesia?

btw.....love Hog's lines in that vid. That to me is perfect backhand surfing.

Yeah Hog put on a backhand clinic.

For a meaningful board test - I'd get three blokes of differing abilities that all ride the same volume. Shapers would shape to that volume. Then all the testers would be on the right sizing. You then test the boards in the waves they were designed for and show the surfers riding the same waves on their fav all rounder, so viewers can benchmark the shapes against a constant.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:17 pm

Battery wrote:
Nick Carroll wrote:
Battery wrote:Nick would you give Lewis a job and post his Power Rankings on ASL...
It's not my deal. SL's editor Wade Davis is the one making that sorta call.

But if I were editor of a site or mag in charge of deep dish coverage of the pro tour I'd definitely give Lewis a gig. It might not be one he was keen to take on though.
Wade doesn't like Lewis's Power Rankings... "to negative" :roll:
Sorry, I haven't brought a surf mag in years but somehow thought you had worked your way up the ladder to editor...
Dude being editor of a surf mag to me would not be a step up the ladder. I've done that quite a bit and have no interest in doing it again. I do a lot of stuff outside the surf market and I'm of more value in surfing just doing things I'm interested in.

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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by andy2476 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:31 pm

$200 fucking dollars for a pair of boardshorts ?????

Is that for real ?

Yet Braithy and his coterie of sycophantic watertards are trying to score pathetic points over people owning expensive bikes ?


Thats just too much.
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Re: Ask Carroll

Post by Nick Carroll » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:32 pm

pinhead wrote:[For a meaningful board test - I'd get three blokes of differing abilities that all ride the same volume. Shapers would shape to that volume. Then all the testers would be on the right sizing. You then test the boards in the waves they were designed for and show the surfers riding the same waves on their fav all rounder, so viewers can benchmark the shapes against a constant.
Thanks mate. As you can imagine I have thought about this.

What I want the shapers to do is make us a board that reflects what they want to show us and by extension everyone else. I provide them with guidelines to height and weight etc but I really feel after that it is up to the board maker. Naturally there are some variations and once we are on site, we pick boards to focus on that fit our sizes best, then move beyond that as needed.

Differing abilities sound good but I think it's a bit of a red herring, I've tried it and it doesn't work either visually or insight-wise.

We've been doing the Telo run for a couple of years after six or eight years of testing in typical Australian beachies, frankly I think you find out a fair bit more about a board in slightly better waves, Telo is fun but it's not that far removed from normal surf conditions and there's a lot of different little waves up there which aren't a challenge to normal surfers. So it doesn't feel like we are going out on a limb.

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