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Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:39 pm
by buddy
Create a farken poll already.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:43 pm
by Trev
offshore1 wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:37 pm
steve shearer wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:29 pm
I think we will have to see how this pans out......but on the ground where I am, I am a seeing a ferocious backlash to the indignity of the chestzip.

Who knows, maybe in ten years time we will look back on the reign of the chestzip wetsuit and wonder out loud: what the fcuk was that shitt all about.
You probably don't have any bitcoins or a contactless credit card either. Luddite.
"Credit Card?" says Steve.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:58 pm
by Beerfan
Saw some sale wetsuits the other day, all chest zip. Why? I admit I have no idea how I'd get one on. Why change something so beautifully simple into an over engineered hyped up impractical POS? Marketing I guess

Fair call if you're surfing in seriously cold water and it helps with warmth, but otherwise, why?

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:17 pm
by Legion
It's not marketing.

If you're that dumb that you can't figure out how to get it on, move to Lennox.

If you're that dumb that you can't figure out how a suit with a horizontal zip on the chest or no zip is an improvement on a back zip, move to Lennox.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:21 pm
by steve shearer
Legion is not taking the resurgence of the backzip well at all.


I'll just copy paste Derek Riellys article in here.

If you would examine your current wetsuit, you’d find it to be a chest-zip or zipper-less suit. Am I right?

To get into these suits is a melodrama.

You must squeeze your heft into a little hole, push one arm into a smaller hole, shimmy it up around your chest, fix first arm, then second, throw the flap over your head and so on. Its removal requires yogi-like dexterity.

Some years ago, all wetsuits came with a long zip from ass to neck. Entry was via a hole as big as your waist, not your neck, and the transaction was completed in a minute or less. It’s post-session removal was almost instant.

But then, partly through marketing (pressure on designers from their sales departments to give something new to push), partly through the need to create so-called advancements in technology (testing showed back zips were slightly more permeable than a neck entry), the back zip faded into memory.

A few weeks ago, I saw that Need Essentials had thrown a few back-zip steamers into their range. And, yesterday, while surfing with a pal in Leucadia he loaned me a one-year-old O’Neill Psychofreak with a back zip or, as its called by O’Neill, a “Zen Zip”.

It’s been a decade or so since I’d experienced the thrill of easily throwing on a suit. It was elevating.

And after the session, all it took to loose my torso into the sun was a one-handed rip of the neck closure and a yank of the zip.

I find the back zip so superior to either zipperless or the chest-zip that this hardly qualifies as faux or real.

But maybe I’m wrong.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:27 pm
by jimmy
A chest zip is far superior to a back. If for no other reason than there is less zip area to let water in when the seams start to go.
If I was a high flying surf industry mogul like Crabmeat or Shearer I’d go a zipper less all day every day.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:35 pm
by Legion
Take up yoga with petubot, steve, if you can't get into a chest zip or zipperless.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:47 pm
by petulance
saltman wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:24 am
I just think some of the zipperless suits may flush a bit more after stretching or wear and tear
That's what is is happening to my QS 3/2 AG47 zipperless ...

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:06 pm
by jimmy
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Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:25 pm
by Beerfan
Lol, the fashionistas are furious!

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:49 am
by marauding mullet
The latest Rip Curl Flash thingy Plus model is zip free and apparently has a larger entry hole that the previous.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:23 am
by steve shearer
Of course that is the great irony.

Because there is very much less stress on the seams a well made back zip lets in less water.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:27 am
by godsavethequeen
But restricts your paddling. And is incompatible with a built in hood. I suspect that 20 minute surfs in subtropical waters are fine with a back zip. Chest zip for everything else though

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:39 am
by steve shearer
nah, doesn't restrict paddling in the slightest.

but yes, incompatible with a "built in hood".......

I thought you were too tough for a hood?

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:50 am
by buddy
Chest zips with the detachable flap are super comfy and easy to get in and out of. I don't have any trouble in my zipperless O'Neil either.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:51 am
by godsavethequeen
There is a small flexibility gain across the shoulders. That's undeniable. And there's less water ingress while the suit remains newish so a chest zip is warmer, pound for pound. I wear a hood all the time once the water gets down to about 8C

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:54 am
by Nick Carroll
My god. just stop it. stop it all of you. I can't stand it.

Re: that wetsuit discussion...

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:25 am
by Rustt
I've heard that back zips are going to be coming back in, not because they are better but because the manufacturers want you to have now, so they'll market them as better, you'll listen then buy them. Simple as that!