Skin Cancer

[roy Stewart]

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and just in case you missed it..

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what's with the whole . thing anyways??

That's 'anyway' not 'anyways'

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[Chillin]

I wear sunscreen and a hat most of the time, i have naturally tanned skin and the last time i was checked the (gay!) doctor checked me out, even picked up me nob, which i assured him had never seen the sun, looked behind it/ underneath it and said (quote) "if you hav'nt got em by now, you're probly not gonna get em". Still wear me hat and blok though, even though i have a pretty good tan up most of the year. I was once berated by a bloke smoking in the carpark about my 'skin in trauma', go figure.

[bohdidontsurf]

And I thought RINGMASTER was the biggest tool on Real Surf but after hearing Roy's dribble....actually no I still think RINGMASTER is the bigget tool on Real Surf, its just now he has some competition ....Roy. Roy, my karate pant wearing, tanned, lunatic, you need about 15 mins a day mild sunlight to get all the Vit D you need. Most people that work in an office will get it walking from the car / station and back so dont kid yourself.

[Animal_Chin]

Do it yourself, only you know what you standard of respectability is.

I have studied occupational hygiene and have some knowledge of what the confirmed, known carcinogens are. My 'standard of respectability' is the best the human race currently has. ie the scientific peer review system.

In my opinion health is a matter of chemistry not social respectability.

Agree. See above.

Have a look at the problems caused by vitamin D deficiency while you are at it

Yep, vitamin D deficiency may lead to impaired bone mineralisation and cartilage degradation. However, the benefits of exposure to sunlight radiation cannot be separated from the harmful effects. Skin cancer is more of a problem than vitamin D deficiency. http://www.skincancer.org/scf-journal-2008.html

I'm more than happy to have crackpots like yourself in society to lighten up a dull day, but when you start sprouting shit like this you expose yourself for the close-minded idiot that you are.

I was waiting for a nano-particle/sun screen argument, which may have indicated that you had done even a little research on the subject. But no...

[roy Stewart]

And I thought RINGMASTER was the biggest tool on Real Surf but after hearing Roy's dribble....actually no I still think RINGMASTER is the bigget tool on Real Surf, its just now he has some competition ....Roy. Roy, my karate pant wearing, tanned, lunatic, you need about 15 mins a day mild sunlight to get all the Vit D you need. Most people that work in an office will get it walking from the car / station and back so dont kid yourself.

Only if it's to 90% or more of your body, while lying prone. How can office workers get that walking from the car ?

[roy Stewart]

Do it yourself, only you know what you standard of respectability is.

I have studied occupational hygiene and have some knowledge of what the confirmed, known carcinogens are. My 'standard of respectability' is the best the human race currently has. ie the scientific peer review system.

The same system that brought you the global warming and swine flu vaccination scams !

You are extremely wet behind the ears of you still believe the scientific peer review BS !

The authors of the article are from the Laser & Skin Surgery Center of New York, hardly an independent group.

I'm more than happy to have crackpots like yourself in society to lighten up a dull day, but when you start sprouting shit like this you expose yourself for the close-minded idiot that you are.

For all your talk of scientific method, you rely heavily upon personal abuse in your own posts.

There is no point in me posting information which supports what I'm saying, as people like you use the same tactic every time: you simply say that the source is not up to your supposedly high ( but actually low ) standards. . . using language peppered with abuse as you have used already.

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[Trev]

Roy,
I'd take the advice of the Cancer Councilof Australia over any organisation is New York every time.

The same system that brought you the global warming and swine flu vaccination scams !

So, you're also one of those people who will have us believe the swine flu vaccination is poisonous?

For all your talk of scientific method, you rely heavily upon personal abuse in your own posts.

There is no point in me posting information which supports what I'm saying, as people like you use the same tactic every time: you simply say that the source is not up to your supposedly high ( but actually low ) standards. . . using language peppered with abuse as you have used already

When you espouse the crap beliefs you do, you lay yourself open to all sorts of abuse.
Again Roy, to argue against the use of suscreen is about the most irresponsible thing I have ever seen anyone post on here.

[Chillin]

I don't want to take sides here and im no expert, but don't sunscreens lower,not stop, your risk of burning, therefore lowering your risk if melanoma, however they don't block the rays that actually cause cancer.?

[Trev]

I don't want to take sides here and im no expert, but don't sunscreens lower,not stop, your risk of burning, therefore lowering your risk if melanoma, however they don't block the rays that actually cause cancer.?

There's sunscreen and sunblock, Chillin.
Different ingredients and different results.
And despite what Roy says, you only need a few minutes in the sun in the early morning or the late afternoon for your arms OR face OR back OR legs. to absorb the required amount of Vitamin D.
The big thing is with sunscreens to make sure you apply them 20 minutes before going in the sun. If you put them on when you are pulling on your boardies on the beach, you'll be starting to burn before you get out the back.

[Animal_Chin]

Jeez Roy, if I wanted to insult you I would have asked if you were a climate change sceptic. I actually typed out that question in my previous post but then deleted it thinking 'nah, he couldn't be that stupid'...

Well, there's no point in me trying to argue with you. Your closed mind is made up. You rebuff the peer review system but offer no other alternatives. Typical fringe loony with a bomb shelter stocked with canned goods.

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[2nd Reef]

you need about 15 mins a day mild sunlight to get all the Vit D you need.

Only if it's to 90% or more of your body, while lying prone.

Where did you get that info from Roy? Was it something you tested yourself?

[channels]

Roy, I consider myself fairly open minded when it comes to alternative medicines and therapies but only where there is some form of objectively tested methodology or results to prove the efficacy.

Sure, sunscreen contains chemical compounds which are absorbed by rubbing into your skin but I'm sure you also inhale plenty of chemical compounds from the old exhaust or your kombi van or the sealants you use in your (long) boards.

Show me examples where the sunscreen is more dangerous than the other things we expose ourselves to on a daily basis.

[channels]

And guys, on a serious note; when you get your moles checked if you doctor isn't using a digital dermoscope when reviewing your skin, he is doing fcuk all.

Google digital dermascopy for someone in your area who knows how to use one.

[steve shearer]

Seeing as NE NSW and QLD have the highest rates of melanoma in the world it'd be interesting to see any research to determine if widespread public education re: sunscreen use is actually reducing the incidence of melanoma or not.

My mate , who is as black as a Nigerian in summer, had a nasty skin cancer cut off his lip.

I'm a fcuking haole and never had one cut off.....I'm super careful now but spent days/weeks/months/years getting cooked as a kid.

Before Roy is written off too much here I'd say we're a generation away at least from determining the real effect of sunscreens from reducing melanoma rates. The available epidemiological data are contradictory.

I wrote to the chief scientist at Hamilton sunscreens asking for her advice on this.
She told me that titanium dioxide and zinc oxide both act as physical blockers of a wide spectrum of the UV band and that this effect was synergistic IE together they blocked a wider spectrum than alone.
I use a kids sunscreen with titanium dioxide and apply zinc over the top.
I know people have concerns about micronised titanium dioxide.

[Yuke Hunt]

He lives in a world made entirely of wood
and believes he is perfect … rather than good
a thought process that constantly goes against the grain
the mans not a menace … he's just simply insane
so he plays with his wood wearing only a dress
whats going through his mind is anyones guess
keeping it left of centre … and right away from any fact
lets him hold onto his outdated ... tired old hippy act
like the flat-earthers before him … he relishes the charade
henny penny the sky's falling … and the freaks on parade
yes he worships the sun and it responds to him
yet he refuses to believe it can damage his skin
soak it up big fella … its the emperors new clothes
one day you will regret it … no skin of my nose
and speaking of noses and of being sunburnt
I know from experience … and lessons hard learnt
simply slipping and slopping and slapping on a hat
can prevent melanoma … its as simple as that
don't let us deter you from living the dream
but take some advice and purchase sunscreen
a bit more advice … if you will let me digress
go buy some trousers and loose the fcuking dress.

[el rancho]

wow this got real interesting...

think Roy has a point, but evidence would need to be presented to overturn the research already done into the benefits of suncsreens

as i mentioned on the first page, melanin is responsible for protecting the skin from UVA and UVB radiation. therefore the darker or tanny-er yer skin is the more protection you have.

australia has the highest rates of skin cancer in the world, but besides South Africa, which other nation is full of white people living in subtropical heat exposing themselves to the sun like we do?

the south american sun is badass, probably more burnier than ours due to the buggered ozone, but most have dark skin to combat it. same as SE Asia, those working long hours in the sun have adapted brown skin.

my view is, cop some sunshine every now and then, it's good for your soul, but don't get sunburnt. the evidence suggests european-based skin will cop a beating here

[Animal_Chin]

He lives in a world made entirely of wood
and believes he is perfect … rather than good
a thought process that constantly goes against the grain
the mans not a menace … he's just simply insane
so he plays with his wood wearing only a dress
whats going through his mind is anyones guess
keeping it left of centre … and right away from any fact
lets him hold onto his outdated ... tired old hippy act
like the flat-earthers before him … he relishes the charade
henny penny the sky's falling … and the freaks on parade
yes he worships the sun and it responds to him
yet he refuses to believe it can damage his skin
soak it up big fella … its the emperors new clothes
one day you will regret it … no skin of my nose
and speaking of noses and of being sunburnt
I know from experience … and lessons hard learnt
simply slipping and slopping and slapping on a hat
can prevent melanoma … its as simple as that
don't let us deter you from living the dream
but take some advice and purchase sunscreen
a bit more advice … if you will let me digress
go buy some trousers and loose the fcuking dress.

That's classic Womble!

Beside the relevance to Roy, it's also witty, it flows well and made me fair dinkum lol.

You should go on that bush poets show on the ABC.

[Grooter]

Agreed that was brilliant