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Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:20 pm
by Cranked
Thanks Buddy, that interpretation fits better with where I have my fin

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:19 pm
by Thud
What Buddy says. The base. Let us know how you go Cranky. This is one of the fun bits of surfing.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:46 pm
by Cranked
Had a few good waves today and it had reasonable speed in a straight line, but I needed fourth gear and there wasn't one - it just doesn't have the grunt of a heavily pumped quad or tri. Ditto for turns, it does them but too slowly.

The waves I ride here need warp speed, everything is speed, speed and more speed and then you get a 200-400m ride. And the most critical time you need speed is the first 3m.

A quad has at least two good size fins in the water all the time giving you drive, and they stay loose in the fastest drops and turns.

I've been trying Geoffs Gulwing too. At times it was good, moments of magic, and I thought I was onto something, but then there'd be some weird reaction and I would be scratching my head going wtf just happened!

Quads and thrusters are just so reliable in just about every situation, no wonder nearly everyone rides them.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 pm
by Thud
Fair play. I ride 2+1's and Quads in Sydney. Ridden all sorts up in Indo but wouldn't have it as dialled as you.

It's the old thing I guess. Get a 2+1 from a 2+1 specialist, I'd say. I've never found them slow.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:34 pm
by buddy
Wasn't NPJ surfing a 2+1 in down the line Kirra in glass love?

Fast as.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:55 pm
by Thud
I believe he was

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:12 pm
by Cranked
Thud wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 pm
Fair play. I ride 2+1's and Quads in Sydney. Ridden all sorts up in Indo but wouldn't have it as dialled as you.

It's the old thing I guess. Get a 2+1 from a 2+1 specialist, I'd say. I've never found them slow.
Its probably just me Thud, I'll keep trying

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:30 pm
by alakaboo
If you're going to try and pump it you need to have the centre fin a bit further back, and bigger (deeper) sides.

I would position the front of the centre fin at the most rearward point of the sides.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:13 pm
by Cranked
The single is a 6" dolphin and unfortunately the only rear sides I've got with me are GXQs, the rest are at home. The 2+1 experiment was supposed to just be a short try out before the move onto the Gulwing/Winged Keel.

My quad fronts are X-large, too much fin for a 2+1 with a 6" dolphin?

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:24 pm
by alakaboo
Yep.
I wouldn't go above m3 size.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:27 am
by Yuke Hunt
alakaboo wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:30 pm
If you're going to try and pump it you need to have the centre fin a bit further back, and bigger (deeper) sides.
A picture tell a thousand words ...

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Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:57 am
by Thud
Cranked wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:12 pm
Thud wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 pm
Fair play. I ride 2+1's and Quads in Sydney. Ridden all sorts up in Indo but wouldn't have it as dialled as you.

It's the old thing I guess. Get a 2+1 from a 2+1 specialist, I'd say. I've never found them slow.
Its probably just me Thud, I'll keep trying
I doubt it Cranked. Are these altered McCoys? What's the box configuration?

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:24 am
by Cranked
Thud wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:57 am
Cranked wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:12 pm
Thud wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:22 pm
Fair play. I ride 2+1's and Quads in Sydney. Ridden all sorts up in Indo but wouldn't have it as dialled as you.

It's the old thing I guess. Get a 2+1 from a 2+1 specialist, I'd say. I've never found them slow.
Its probably just me Thud, I'll keep trying
I doubt it Cranked. Are these altered McCoys? What's the box configuration?
Yep.
I don't have anything to measure with but my hand span is 8" so its roughly a 10" box set 5" from the tail.

Sidebites are old style fcs set with the rear edge of rear plug level with front of the box, lots of cant and toe-in to the nose or maybe even a bit more.

6" dolphin fin, gxq sidebites.

The big problem is the takeoff though, I've gotta get that thing moving down the line in the first 2m. As a quad with an extra large front fin with all that toe and cant, plus the rears (also lots of toe in and cant) it grabs, turns and gets up to speed the same as all the other guys. Then a few pumps and I'm cruising.

I'm guessing the single fin with no cant nor toe-in and in the centre of the board has not established any laminar flow at such a large angle of attack and so is basically not helping much at all.

Another consideration is that with a 17" tail there may not be much of the centre fin in the water at all when the board is put on a rail during a turn. I'm pretty sure that the Gulwing fin at 9.5" with its narrow base and lots of area in the tip was designed to ensure that there was a reasonable amount of fin in the water when the board was on a rail. So my whole attempt at a 2+1 with a dolphin fin was probably doomed from the start. But the Zot as a quad with all that fin area on the rail was an excellent idea!

I think its time to put the quads back in.

By the way my Nuggets are even faster down the line than a lot other boards - I put it down to the big chunky rails (Zot rail is much finer) planing on the wave face - Geoff McCoy has said he considers the rails a planing surface - and the fact that the rails are a bit straighter than the rocker line.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:41 pm
by Thud
I think your fins combo might be to small. With the GXQ maybe try 7ft plus middle.....if you can be bothered. Also the foil on the GXQ might be off. The GXQ base might not be giving you enough drive with shortish dolphin. Yeh try a 7 1/2 plus inch middle, if you have

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 am
by BA
Swellnets calling it 1-2ft and not really worth it. Thankyou Swellnet.

I surfed consitent chest-high Narrabeen doing a mini impression of D’bah with bugger all out.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:16 am
by Drailed
BA wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 am
Swellnets calling it 1-2ft and not really worth it. Thankyou Swellnet.

I surfed consitent chest-high Narrabeen doing a mini impression of D’bah with bugger all out.
Keep it to yourself ya fccckn kook

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:37 am
by BA
Drailed wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:16 am
BA wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 am
Swellnets calling it 1-2ft and not really worth it. Thankyou Swellnet.

I surfed consitent chest-high Narrabeen doing a mini impression of D’bah with bugger all out.
Keep it to yourself ya fccckn kook
It’s well and truly gone now dick-bag.

Re: Where did you surf today ?

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:40 am
by petulance
BA wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:46 am
Swellnets calling it 1-2ft and not really worth it. Thankyou Swellnet.

I surfed consitent chest-high Narrabeen doing a mini impression of D’bah with bugger all out.
"Surf size is around the 1-2ft mark and it's pretty busy in the water, so don't get your hopes up for a high wave count"