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Temporary shaping bay

Post by JET01 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:00 pm

So I've got a hair brained scheme that I want to turn my garage (Cronulla unit) into a temporary shaping bay.
Never done any shaping before.

If I line the walls with tarps. Use some Gaffa tape to get enough of a seal to control the dust. Then some lights on pedestals like what tradies use for renos so that I can see the shadows and lines.

A. Reckon it would work.

B. How much do all the mandatory hand tools cost to get shaping and glassing. I have a small electric hand sander that I can use.

Id love to shape a few boards over the years.
Probably start with an egg to surf instead of my 6'1 wedding present single fin. Then maybe a fish.
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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beerfan » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:53 am

I might get crucified for mentioning it, but midget does computer cut pre shapes.

Otherwise, honestly you can do a board with stuff from Bunnings. Planer is good but you can fkukk it up very easily. Straight piece of timber with sandpaper glued to it in different grades to rough out. You need to buy "screen" though to finish the rails. It's messy and hard but fun to do. Get the blank closest to your finished dims. If you have to take heaps of foam off you're way more likely to fkukk it right up.

UV resin is a must.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by carvin marvin » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:08 am

Those tradie lights give off the wrong type of light and would be very hot, flourescent light gives off a soft diffused light which shows up high and low spots. one each side and one above is preferable.
A Surform is the best tool for shaping, the electric hand sander can be used for sanding the fibreglass but is not the right tool for sanding foam.

Best way to shape is slowly, one step at a time and after each step stop and come back later and examine what you have done with fresh objective eyes, looking at the job from various angles with just one side light on is the best method for critiquing mistakes.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Davros » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:05 pm

Blank, surform, saw, razor for stringer shaving, router hired from kennards, couple grades of sand paper, I used an upside down ironing board with some tweaks for the stand and it worked great. Broom and dust buster to clean.

Didn't glass it, never would as I'd be spewing if I f&cked the the thing up after all that hard work.

But please listen to the experts here ( not me). I'd be interested to hear now some of the guys draw up their templates.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beerfan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:51 am

Did a few bodgy looking boards. All surfed ok, one, a keel fish, was magic. Way thick and unrefined but just worked so well. Surfed it for about 3 years 90% of the time.

For template I went to Bunnings and got a 2.4m long strip of oak I think. About 12mm wide and 3mm thick. Put a sheet of mdf on garage floor. Mark ends of board and wide point and also 12" from nose and tail with dots. Small gauge nails in the dots and bend the stick around the nails to get curves. Hold with foot and draw outline with pencil.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Davros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:59 am

I read this old book and got a hell of a lot out of it. It's not what you asked but it's worth a read (can be heavy going on theory). It's probably completely out of date but I used the basic principles and the board I made works a treat, I tried to emulate V and modern concaves - probably broke every logical rule in any shaping book but f&ck it.

http://www.hollowsurfboards.com/documen ... le1977.pdf

You don't need to rout the fin plugs if you get it glassed. I used Larry lockbox fins which was tricky I'd go with FCS 1 plugs.

Ta for info on template BF - I winged it last time

What Carvin says about patience, a good rule is 10-15 strokes of tool or sandpaper, check then repeat. This was good advice.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by JET01 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:02 pm

Wow thanks for all the tips gents.
Won't be getting into it any time soon, but nice to know it's pretty easy to get the tools required when I get a chance.
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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beanpole » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:51 am

I've lately been thinking of trying to shape a wooden midlength. Not sure if it's worth the expense to Fcuk up an expensive bit of balsa. I think the chances of success on the first go would be remote but I'm kind of keen. I've got access to a few tools and the space for a while. I guess if I keep it simple. Glassing facilities on the south side of the Harbour is a of a mystery.
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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beerfan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:20 am

Beanpole wrote:I've lately been thinking of trying to shape a wooden midlength. Not sure if it's worth the expense to Fcuk up an expensive bit of balsa. I think the chances of success on the first go would be remote but I'm kind of keen. I've got access to a few tools and the space for a while. I guess if I keep it simple. Glassing facilities on the south side of the Harbour is a of a mystery.
Riley I'm sure will make the blank for you, roughed out close to your dims. Then you do the rails etc. A balsa 8'er would be sweet as.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Davros » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:59 am

North of the boarder Clear surfboards glass punters boards

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beanpole » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:36 pm

I guess the hollow ones are more shaped than a blank. I've checked out Riley online a few times.
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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by Beanpole » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:44 pm

Yeah, so I believe. What about the rails though?
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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by carvin marvin » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:07 am

Grant Newby has come up with a good method for building a paulownia wood on foam surfboard.
No need for lots of clamps.
The cost of clamps would be about equal to the cost of a vacuum bag set up with small compressor.
Would be cheaper to hire a compressor for the day.
No need to glass, he seals with lanolin but lanolin is a bit sticky and therefore can pick up the dirt, orange tung oil is the best natural seal for paulownia or you could seal with epoxy.
http://surfboardsbygrantnewby.blogspot. ... results=10
Scroll down to second page to get a brief idea of his method.

Or scroll down these blogs for a more detailed description.
http://surfboardsbygrantnewby.blogspot. ... mmons.html
http://thewoodbuddha.blogspot.com.au/

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by carvin marvin » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:14 pm

saltman wrote:Funny you posted those Marvin
I just spent a few weeks going through each of those builds over and over again
re lanolon - woodbudda just coats them with an epoxy resin
Fantastic info at those two blogs they both go into great detail.

Epoxy is pretty fool proof in that you are sealing over all the glue joins, wood knots and any possible leaking points, it just depends how green you want to go with the build.

Was checking out Tom Wegeners latest build, Eps foam blank, paulownia rails and bottom with a cork deck ,vacuum bagged.
Picture here.
http://woodensurfboards.blogspot.com.au/

Also noticed he is about to launch a book documenting his surfboard building journey.
Few excerpts here.
http://www.tomwegenersurfboards.com/blog/book-launch
Will have to order a copy.

Regarding this excerpt about Deryk Hynds criticsm of him licencing his 'Seaglass Tuna' to Global Surf Industry, I think I would have done the same.
Much more fun to be playing around and experimenting with new designs than to be building the same board over and over day after day, better to give that job to GSI to do.

Excerpt.



From Chapter 9: The Criticism Begins



Soon after the tunas hit the market [made by Global Surf Industries] I began to experience criticism from others in the surf industry. I was being called a “sell out”, and the most notable condemnation came from articles written by Derek Hynd. Hynd took the fins off his surfboards around the time I began my alaia journey in 2005. We were both pursuing a similar, new approach to surfing though we were unaware of each other’s work at the time. Hynd named his approach or style “friction free” surfing, while I stuck to the unimaginative name of “finless” surfing. Hynd was, and still is, an avid proponent of friction free surfing and had developed his own genre and surfboard designs. We had worked on several projects together and were friends before I turned to GSI. In a way we complemented each other. For example, in two popular surf movies, “Musica Surfica” and “A Deeper Shade of Blue”, I was the wood surfboard artisan who brought back ancient Hawaiian alaia surfing, while Hynd was the radical surfer who pushed his new designs in big waves and developed a new genre of surfing. Hynd was also a prolific surf journalist, advocating surfboards without fins, and soon he was castigating me for licensing my design to Global Surf Industries. Our rift made it to the national press with Tim Elliott reporting in the Sydney Morning Herald;



Hynd now suggests that fins on boards may have been a distraction all along. He also believes “we could be seeing the birth of a whole new sport.”

But he is scathing about those he regards as having commercialised the finless movement, particularly Tom Wegener, who late last year licensed his design for a fibreglass alaia-style board to Global Surf Industries, which manufacturers them in a factory in Thailand.

“Tom has killed Bambi,” Hynd told Liquid Salt surf magazine recently. “He has sold out to the ‘crass mass.’”



I had enormous respect for Hynd as a person, philosopher and surfer. We had spent many good times with each other and were on the same page with our surfing and thinking. I was wounded by his words and spent nights wondering exactly what he meant by “killing Bambi”. I had a vague notion, but it did not seem to be a clear analogy for what I had done.

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Re: Temporary shaping bay

Post by carvin marvin » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:56 am

This bloke has come up with a method for wood over foam where you don't need to vacuum bag.
And it is also a great way to recycle broken surfboards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QezAlloYOA

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