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A shaping challenge

Postby diggerdickson » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:57 pm

Im getting my hands on a second blank, 33 bucks, gonna have a go at shaping a board then glassing it. Just need to get hold of a shaping stand and away I go.

Im challenging those non shapers out on the sunny coast to come up with something better than I do. No time limit in getting it completed, all good things take time, only thing required is pitures as you go and a description of the pain you are going through in getting it done and how many beers consumed.

Finally a board review will of course need to be done by another mate or by someone who is also trying to shape a board.

No shaping machines for the rough outline, must be done by hand, let everyone know what tools your using, how you did your outline ect and have a blast....... :D
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby pridmore » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:48 am

not looking like too many are up for it...maybe make it open to anyone at all, least you might get something happening....might get my son to do one if you get a few others involved..... 8)
maybe come up with a shape-design criteria like small wave summer design or similar so they can get alot of use this season ???
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby Beerfan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:37 pm

I'm planning on having another crack next year. Of the 4 boards i've done the best one was the board that stayed closest to the shape of the blank, so im gunna make sure i pick the right blank, not just get a big one and hack the shape out of it. Its not good for building your shaping skills, but if you're just doing them for you who cares?.

I actually think glassing is the easiest but, and sanding is the f&cken worst shit ever.

Good luck, hope you post heaps a pics.

What shape?

I have a few sets of twin fins, so i think i'll do a modern twin type thingy.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby diggerdickson » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:10 pm

Mate, ive wanted a single for a while know, am going for a 6'6 rounded pin, will use marks board as a template as im no designer. Am going to give it a real good crack. Fong is picking up the blanks from brisbane, Ive got some solid carboard sheets I will use for making the template, will hunt around the house to find something to use for the tail template, my missus will have something :lol:

I hope to start shaping very early december, need to rustle up some stands and need to get hold of the shaping 101 dvd to have some sort of idea of what Im doing. It would be great some time in the future if on marks next board testing day if people are finished there boards to bring em along, excellent excuse for a beer, surf, and checking out and riding different boards.

Will get my kids some bosca pens and let them draw all over it in whatever they want and will then clear laquer it. Gonna be awesome, but will take a while as only will have one day a week to get into it, and if the surf is good, well, no board shaping.

But it will be made, first pitures I put up will be the blanks we buy and the template I make.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby pridmore » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:52 pm

Digger, I have some old shaping stands at my oldies' place, under the house, you and Fong can have them, I'll be up Fri night and Sat morn if you wanna collect them then ??? Least I can do after Fong gave me that paddle recently.... I will get my son to do something soon too, will let him chose design and do everything himself....
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby surfdenbeer » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:55 pm

Mate, its SO EASY just like

Surfing ( like a pro)

Tiling -floor/wall

Painting cars at home

Looks easy as ... but having a go and getting the ' PRO ' result are two different things 8)

Good onya for having a dig

In other words , i'll just try the challenge for most beers drunk/drank :mrgreen:
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby Beerfan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:38 pm

Im a hack so take it with a grain of salt, but 3mm mdf is unreal for templates. Very cheap, and very fast to remove material, but holds its shape.

Get it from bunnings, and get them to cut the sheet into 12 or 13 inch widths ( of a 2.4m sheet ), then you have enough for 2 or 3 boards. Less than 20 bucks too!.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby Beerfan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:41 pm

P.S i do have the shaping and glassing dvd's somewhere, so give me a few days and i'll try to find em. If i do, i'll "backup" a copy of each and send.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby diggerdickson » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:13 pm

Thanks pridemore, really appreciate it mate, will take my kids for a drive to buderim after I get home from work friday night, hopefully will leave coolum at around 6.30 and head on down, beerfan that would be a awesome help and helps me keep the cost down. In fact thats the cost of two more blanks for me 8) , let me know if you can find them and will pm you my address mate.

One of my friends in sydney reckons I should get the rough shape done by machine cause of the rocker, but I feel like stuff that, this board is gunna be mine from start to finish, maybe next time but definately not the first time. If I cant get the rocker near right and it doesnt go to good at least I have tried once in my life instead of just putting it in the to hard basket and never having a dig.

Top hint about the mdf and will definately go that way if you have done that and found its good. Bunnings here I come.

I hear you loud and clear about the blank beerfan thats why I think the 6'8 blank will be the way to go, but I gotta leave that to fong to get as he knows someone and getting it cheap cheap.

Thinking on when it comes to glassing using the resign that John Gilmore has been working on cause it doesnt set of as quick as the normal stuff and I imagine I wont be the quickest at that part of the job but thats a while away yet. At the moment its all i can think of, I feel like a kid waiting for christmas to come.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby Beerfan » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:42 am

UV resin gives you HEAPS of time. Same resin, but the catalyst is UV sensitive, so you can take your time ( no rush at all ) in the shed, and when you're ready, walk out in the sun. It'll kick within 10 minutes. It'll still be tacky, but once its started, it'll keep kicking, even if ya bring it back n the shed. My second board was done with UV resin, and the difference was huge, MUCH less wrinkles in the glass, coz you have time to work them out.

Most blank makers have a rocker chart with heaps of different rockers, and usually a "standard" rocker. My hack .02c, dont adjust the rocker, just go with whats in the blank.


Those dvd's i lent to a guy at work about 18 months ago. Only met him through sways, never heard from him since, I've pm'd him to send them back to me. Im hoping i get a reply soon.

Cheers

You're getting me keen ya bugger!!


P.S surfing a board you've made is a great feeling!
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby ric_vidal » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:57 am

Digs, I’m with Beerfan, get a close tolerance blank to the bottom rocker you like and basically stick to it. As blanks are relatively thick nose and tail, most just need finessing/thicknessing at the tail from the bottom (more lift) so you avoid taking too much from the deck and flattening/thicknessing of the nose, but this time most may come from the deck side as we assume you won’t be standing there. :wink:

Basic tools are all you need... Surform, and 40 through to about 150 grit sandpaper. Some can be stuck on lengths of timber which is good for cleaning up your planshape. A baby block plane or David plane is necessary to take down your stringer. Straight edge of some description. Safety gear!

Get your template smooth, pencil it onto the blank bottom and cut your planshape with a circular saw as close to your pencil line as possible. Using the circular saw will keep your cut vertical, you may need to take a few bites around the nose and tail to accommodate your blade. Stand opposite the edge you are cutting and hold the fence up with one hand. Have a weight on the blank on the opposite side you are cutting a make sure you are going to clear your stands when you cut.

Cutting close to the pencil line means you don’t have to tidy it up too much as that is when you frock it up. You have to resist the urge to keep away from your pencil line and THINK you can shape down to it. Once cut, you can feel any imperfections usually more than you can see them - well hopefully. Put the board on a rail and run over the rail with the board with sandpaper.

You can do all your grunt work with a Surform, if you don’t have one just get the small one they fit in your hand nicely. Sandpaper wrapped around ‘stuff’ with and without foam backing will allow you to smooth out your shaping. Some guys even use orbital sanders for shaping, probably best not to go there at this stage unless you feel confident. Same with an electric plane, basically good for the fast removal of masses of foam.

Good side lighting helps a whole lot obviously but is not essential, stands are. UV resin is a good option albeit expensive, but Fong can glass in his sleep so let him do it. :twisted: Cheaper to use UV than stuff up your board. Won’t go into the whole glassing things as it is a new topic in itself. If it turns out really well consider getting someone else to glass it even if they leave it unsanded. Put in a fin box rather than a glass-on... for this you can probably get away with a Stanley knife and sharp chisel or router, we use small trimmer routers with an appropriate jig.

Take your time, you can’t add foam but you can always remove it. Look from all sides, all angles, often. Whatever you do on one side, do on the other. Trust your fingers, hold the board up and let it glide through your hands to feel if the rails feels symmetrical.

Have fun getting dirty and dusty, it will be the best board ever! 8) Until the next one :wink: and the next one...

Let us know if you need any help.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby marcus_h » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:00 pm

Hey Dig i'ld love to join the challenge but at the moment cant seem to find the time.

Maybe some time in December i'll have a go at it - keep us updated
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby diggerdickson » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:41 am

Mum came up today for a holiday with my family and I gotta rush her back to brisbane airport tommorow to get a flight back home, looks like she may have got her breast cancer back after 10 years. She is getting it checked out by doctor thursday morning, he called mum today after getting her results of the yearly checkup to tell her to get the first flight back and get straight into his office.

Shaping a board dont seem that important no more, **** it all, lets just hope its a bit of fluid :|

Wish there was some swell, I feel like getting thrown over the falls on a large wave just to remind myself that everything should be okay. :x
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby Beerfan » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:48 am

Ah f&ck mate!. Good luck, fingers crossed for your mum.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby mical » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:05 am

Not good Digger, hopefully you're right and it's just fluid.

Thoughts and best wishes to your mum, hope she's ok.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby marcus_h » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:02 pm

diggerdickson wrote:Mum came up today for a holiday with my family and I gotta rush her back to brisbane airport tommorow to get a flight back home, looks like she may have got her breast cancer back after 10 years. She is getting it checked out by doctor thursday morning, he called mum today after getting her results of the yearly checkup to tell her to get the first flight back and get straight into his office.

Shaping a board dont seem that important no more, **** it all, lets just hope its a bit of fluid :|

Wish there was some swell, I feel like getting thrown over the falls on a large wave just to remind myself that everything should be okay. :x



**** dude heavy, my old girl has been through and beaten the monster twice. Fingers crossed its nothing.
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby pridmore » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:26 pm

hope things are ok with ya old girl Diiger ....

so who is in on the shaping thingy ??? who is shaping what ? My son is keen but I'm not until there are a few more crew gunna have a crack at something... :?:
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Re: The Sunny Coast Challenge

Postby tiger » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:20 pm

I might have a go. Can't be too hard.
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